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Old 01-04-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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Can I change the last part of your statement to read "the NFL will have a greater fan base since most people are transistioning to warmer climates and there will be more interest in football"
What does warmer climates have to do with interest in football?
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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Teams can't keep their players. The Raven's lost eight starters last season not because they wanted to but because they were forced to because of the cap. They couldn't give the players their market value.

Because of the way the salary cap and wage structure is setup teams overpay for a few players on the team. The opportunity cost is that they cannot give competitive wages to other players on the team and thus lose them. So, you have Joe Flacco, a decent QB, getting a huge contract. You see the same with Jay Cutler. And the reason these QB's get such big contracts is that NFL teams have money to burn but only limited ways to spend it. So, in the case of Flacco, he just won the team a superbowl, and while he's not worth anywhere near his contract, the Raven's realized that its better to way overpay for him than to lose him and start with an even more unknown commodity.

In a true free market you would have wages more spread out and teams keeping their players. It's quite obvious that the NFL's salary cap prevents teams from being good for longer stretches at a time. The only team that has somewhat figured it out is New England but even they lose players at a shocking rate.

The NFL pre-94 was of much much higher quality.

The Ravens lost all of those players and are in bad salary cap shape because Joe Flacco decided he was worth 20 million a year and they gave it him.

New England has "figured it out"....by having a guy like Brady consistently take way less then he could get on the open market to give them more to build a team around him with. His average salary for the next three years is like 9 million I think!


The salary cap is not the problem, it is the egos of a lot of these players, feeling that they are worth ludicrous amounts of their team's cap space.
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Old 01-04-2014, 12:49 PM
 
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The Ravens lost all of those players and are in bad salary cap shape because Joe Flacco decided he was worth 20 million a year and they gave it him.

New England has "figured it out"....by having a guy like Brady consistently take way less then he could get on the open market to give them more to build a team around him with. His average salary for the next three years is like 9 million I think!


The salary cap is not the problem, it is the egos of a lot of these players, feeling that they are worth ludicrous amounts of their team's cap space.
Its not just Brady taking less....

How many times has New England let big names walk so they can load up on draft picks and build their team?

The Ravens could've kept Boldin IMO...also, Pitta being hurt most of the season really hurt Flacco
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Old 01-20-2014, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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At some point in time I would not be shocked to see an attempt to ban tackling at the high school level and down in a place like New York City or San Francisco.
It's happening...in The Bronx. It was only a matter of time.

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Old 01-21-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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That was a different time. Back then a salary of a million per year was rare. Even with no salary cap teams generally kept saleries under control.

Take away the salary cap tomorrow and you'll have Dallas, both New York teams, New England and maybe Chicago and Washington outspend everyone. Small market powerhouses like Pittsburgh will tumble to the bottom of the standings and will never get out of the basement again. Dan Snyder could just open the checkbook to someone like Big Ben, offer him $20 or $30 million per year and steal him away from the Steelers and there wouldn't be anything they could do about it.
You must be pretty young, since you don't know about the Bradshaw years in Pittsburgh. There was no salary cap then and Pittsburgh was dominating for years. What it comes down to is profits. The owners know they will make a profit now, no matter how poorly their team does. Every dollar that comes in after their costs are accounted for is profit. The single largest cost is player salaries.

The only thing that will lose money over time is merchandizing. Whose jersey number will you buy, when you start to think about how long that player will be around?
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Old 01-21-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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Speaking of Merchandizing, I wonder if any of the NFL teams are offering players a percentage of merchandizing profits after they stop playing in order to keep salaries at a lower level for the cap. I wonder if all the loopholes have been plugged.
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