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Old 02-03-2014, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Peyton's performance had more to do with the Seahawks dominant defense than himself. Folks forget, or perhaps were not even alive to know that John Elway had 3 similar performances in Super Bowls during the 80s. That was not a knock on Elway but the team he was playing for .. they were just over matched.. but that didn't stop folks from calling Elway a choker at least until he eventually won 2 Super Bowls with a better Broncos team about 10 years later..
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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Good point, look at Dan Marino, too, plenty of examples, what about Buffalo losing 4 times in a row, wasn't Kelly pretty good?
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Good point, look at Dan Marino, too, plenty of examples, what about Buffalo losing 4 times in a row, wasn't Kelly pretty good?
Kelly was great, HOF in fact but he was a product of a system more than anything. I don't put him on the same level as Marino or Favre or even Manning but certainly a HOF caliber QB running a great system. The Bills were just great at the wrong time. If that make sense. Sometimes you have to peak at the right time. For instance, had the Bills peaked when the NFC was down then perhaps they win 4 Super Bowls in a row and Jim Kelly is the Greatest QB of all time! Who knows.. just bad luck I guess.
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Old 02-06-2014, 05:17 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Peyton's performance had more to do with the Seahawks dominant defense than himself. Folks forget, or perhaps were not even alive to know that John Elway had 3 similar performances in Super Bowls during the 80s. That was not a knock on Elway but the team he was playing for .. they were just over matched.. but that didn't stop folks from calling Elway a choker at least until he eventually won 2 Super Bowls with a better Broncos team about 10 years later..
So your just gonna excuse away that he played bad. This is the problem when he wins he gets all praise and glory as he should but when he loses someone else was the reason he lost. I think it does hurt his legacy a little bit he is still up there in top 5 QB's he will not really fall but he wil not pass Brady or Montana.
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Old 02-06-2014, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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So your just gonna excuse away that he played bad. This is the problem when he wins he gets all praise and glory as he should but when he loses someone else was the reason he lost. I think it does hurt his legacy a little bit he is still up there in top 5 QB's he will not really fall but he wil not pass Brady or Montana.
Truth is, when he wins, it could be a choke by the team he beats. All the high praise could be wrong to the extent the other team didn't play the best game. But you gotta stick with the narrative. Seems like that's all anybody wants to hear. Well, except for the people who point out the commonness with which Peyton chokes in postseason.
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Southern NH
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Sorry, but Peyton is 1 - 2 in the Super Bowls and 11 - 12 in the postseason. He is a great quarterback, but not in the class of Tom Brady or Joe Montana....
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Old 02-07-2014, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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These arguments get so old and using just the SB wins or postseason to me doesn't cut it. I think he is every bit as good as Tom Brady, I don't care who wins how ever many super bowls.
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Old 02-07-2014, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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These arguments get so old and using just the SB wins or postseason to me doesn't cut it. I think he is every bit as good as Tom Brady, I don't care who wins how ever many super bowls.
And that will be the response of diehard Peyton fans. Just hope they can handle the skepticism of everyone who isn't.
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Old 02-08-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Beacon Falls, CT
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I was in a survivor & pick 'em league on Yahoo and I remember this number carefully: 72% of voters picked Denver to win the Super Bowl. That number shocked me. Maybe Sherman played a part in that; some otherwise neutral fans might have sided with the Broncos just because they didn't want to see "him" win. But it is an unwritten rule that you always take the #1 defense over the #1 offense. Did nobody learn from XXXVII? Oakland was favored by 4 going into that one just like Denver was favored, and just like Seattle, a defensive player won game MVP for Tampa Bay.

I'm not apologizing for Denver but those who blindly criticize Peyton seem to be getting a slide from the masses where the apologists have been getting grilled. Peyton deserves his due. He had two masterful performances against two teams that dominated him in the regular season. The Patriots and Chargers (in Denver) had their way with him but the second time around, in playoff games where people say he is horrible, he played extremely well. According to many, Denver was supposed to lose the first game by default because of Peyton. Look at the 3rd down pass he made to clinch the game against San Diego. How many other coaches in the league would even dare to let their quarterback attempt that pass Manning threw to Thomas on a 3rd and 17 situation? Most would be happy to take a 5 yard gain on the ground and make San Diego burn a second timeout.

But when I see statements like these:

"Tebow would have won the game for Denver."
"St. Louis > Denver because they were more competitive against the champs."

That ticks me off.

And prior to the Super Bowl, one person told me that Denver better win because even the "lowly Texans" took Seattle to overtime and if they could come that close to a win against Seattle, anyone else in the league should be able to do it. It's not about team versus team necessarily, it's about style. How one STYLE matches up with another. Just because one team is 13-3 and another is 2-14, that doesn't mean that the 13 win team automatically has a better chance to win against a common opponent.

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Old 02-08-2014, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Just took a look at box scores. A repeated phrase about Peyton is all the "weapons' he has. Truth is that Russell completed passes to as many or more players. Peyton favored Demaryus Thomas over and over. I guess he must have been most successful at escaping coverage. My thought though is if its that unbalanced, the counting Peyton's weapons is deceptive. They are ineffective if he can't get much to them. The other thing I noticed was that Denver had 4 turnovers both in preseason and the Super Bowl. They seemed to save their sloppiest game for Seattle. Harmless in the preseason, but deadly in the Super Bowl.
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