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Old 04-06-2014, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA and Washington, DC
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Lots of college kids keep their noses clean and are upstanding citizens.
Why does he get a pass?

The point is he has shown you who he is. Class and character do not appear to be part of the equation.
I'm not giving him a pass, I'm saying he is just like any other human being. He's flawed and makes mistakes.

At the end of the day he has talent, which a team will put at a major priority over class and character, if they have the right situation around him. Also, it is possible that he can get his attitude right. Just take a look at Cam Newton in Carolina who changed from a whiner in year two to a leader and clutch player in year three. Or a lesser-known case Jimmy Smith up in Baltimore who had red flags and character issues out the backside when he was drafted. He had the right situation around him and turned into a good player who has kept out of trouble.

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but then you have to draft him late b/c otherwise you're paying big bucks to sit.

he's like 6'0'' and 218lbs
Teams all around the NFL are paying millions of dollars of dead money under the cap to players who are not even on the team anymore. So that is a dead argument. Also BTW the rookie year will likely be the cheapest year of the draft pick's contract.

Russell Wilson is 5'11 about 210 and that does not seem to bother him any. Of course, not much bothers you when you are holding a Lombardi trophy.

I know the trend now is to start the rookie QB but for every Russell Wilson or Andrew Luck who plays well because they have talent around them there is a David Carr or Tim Couch who have their career ruined because they got cast into bad situations too early.
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Old 04-06-2014, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Yes.

Plays under pressure. Plays well in big games. Winning attitude.

Yeah he's a little cocky - depending on the makeup of the team, that can be a positive.

Tiger Woods was cocky - dominated. New Tiger - not so cocky, not so dominant.
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Old 04-06-2014, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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If my team needed a QB this year or next, yes. If my team already had a great QB but he was still available towards the end of the first round, possibly. He could well be a top-rated NFL QB in a few years.

He's made one bone-headed decision (autographs) but I haven't heard of any problems with drugs or alcohol, no problems with the law, no problems with following coach's orders, showing up to practice, etc. He's was a big deal on campus and he'll probably be a bid deal on some NFL team. He's cocky. BFD. I would be too, and at his age I'd have been worse. I matured and so will he.
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Old 04-07-2014, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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I still can't believe all the hate this guy gets. So he parties, this just in millions of college kids like to party. If I were in his position I'd have fun too. You want to talk about a lack of character? Are you guys aware of all the flaws Cam Newton has? It's sure worse than a guy who likes to go out. Ban him from drinking? Give me a break. Gonna do that for any other player in the entire league? Didn't think so.

The guy makes plays. This is not the old NFL, mobile QBs who make plays are finally given a chance and one just won the SB. I'm rooting for the guy and hope he proves the haters wrong.
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Old 04-07-2014, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Upstate
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I'm not sure if he is a such a top first rounder as ESPN may try to make us believe. Being a Browns fan, if he is still available at #26, then maybe. I would sit him for a year and have him learn. But he will need strong peer leadership in the lockeroom.
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Not a chance he falls out of the top 10. This is a QB league, you gotta have one to compete as well all know. Teams overdraft QBs all the time hoping they can hit on a guy who can change their franchise. I'd take a chance on Manzell before I'd do the same with guys like Ponder, Gabbert and all the other top 10 reaches.
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:37 AM
 
Location: the Chicago suburbs
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I still can't believe all the hate this guy gets. So he parties, this just in millions of college kids like to party. If I were in his position I'd have fun too. You want to talk about a lack of character? Are you guys aware of all the flaws Cam Newton has? It's sure worse than a guy who likes to go out. Ban him from drinking? Give me a break. Gonna do that for any other player in the entire league? Didn't think so.

The guy makes plays. This is not the old NFL, mobile QBs who make plays are finally given a chance and one just won the SB. I'm rooting for the guy and hope he proves the haters wrong.
But the millions of other college kids aren't the face of college football with a million dollar future ahead of him. The millions of college kids aren't in his position so I hold him to a higher standard and expect him to be, like I said, Derek Jeter in shoulder pads. You don't see Jeter out in the clubs flashing cash and whatnot. You don't see Peyton Manning doing that. They keep to themselves and excel at their jobs. Maybe an entire ban on drinking was extreme, but if I'm a coach, he's on a very short leash with me. He did get arrested in 2012. I think its a snowball effect. He was posting pictures drinking underage, which a lot of kids do I know. Then he shows up to the 21+ clubs at age 20. Next thing you know he's flashing cash. The big one was the Manning camp where he was too hangover to show up. Some franchise quarterback. Sounds like Todd Marinovich 2.0. He goes from innocent college partying to big boy NFL partying and next thing you know the cops find him passed out in a hotel OD'd on coke with 3 Puerto Rican prostitutes.

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Old 04-07-2014, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Texas
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He's made one bone-headed decision (autographs) but I haven't heard of any problems with drugs or alcohol, no problems with the law, no problems with following coach's orders, showing up to practice, etc. .
Do you not get the news?

Arrested for fighting
holding fake licenses
DUI
Didn't show up to Manning's passing camp
And that's besides his being an overall jerk to his teammates, etc.

Yeah, he's something special, but I don't remember hearing anything about Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning (hell, even Eli Manning), etc, etc, etc...

The QB is not just some other player. He needs to step up.
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Old 04-07-2014, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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You're embarrassing me. No, I was totally unaware of all that. If that's the case, I'll button it.
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Upstate
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Of course he will be drafted. Is he worth a #1 pick? That should be the debate.

There are a few teams where his talents would work well. He will need a strong mentor to keep him focused.
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