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Old 04-13-2014, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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But the millions of other college kids aren't the face of college football with a million dollar future ahead of him. The millions of college kids aren't in his position so I hold him to a higher standard and expect him to be, like I said, Derek Jeter in shoulder pads. You don't see Jeter out in the clubs flashing cash and whatnot. You don't see Peyton Manning doing that. They keep to themselves and excel at their jobs. Maybe an entire ban on drinking was extreme, but if I'm a coach, he's on a very short leash with me. He did get arrested in 2012. I think its a snowball effect. He was posting pictures drinking underage, which a lot of kids do I know. Then he shows up to the 21+ clubs at age 20. Next thing you know he's flashing cash. The big one was the Manning camp where he was too hangover to show up. Some franchise quarterback. Sounds like Todd Marinovich 2.0. He goes from innocent college partying to big boy NFL partying and next thing you know the cops find him passed out in a hotel OD'd on coke with 3 Puerto Rican prostitutes.

Your standards are ridiculous. And if you think Derek Jeter does not go out to clubs you are mistaken. To live up to your standards guys like Brett Favre or Sonny Jurgenson would have been written off because they obviously do not have the character and make up to lead a football team. I won't even go into Ben Rothlisburger because that would just be too easy.

Wait, look what I just found:

Payton Manning was involved in a scandal in college
Manning played college football at Tennessee and while he was there, he was accused of sexually harassing an athletic trainer. Jamie Ann Naughright alleged Manning exposed himself to her, but Manning said he simply mooned her. The university sided with Manning but made him submit a written apology. Manning later was sued by Naughright for defamation over comments he made about her in a book. The suit was settled out of court, for a reported sum of $300,000.

http://voices.yahoo.com/five-things-...ng-313667.html

You are comparing a 20 year old Johnny Manzel to professions in their mid 30's and that is totally unfair. As we can see your heroes did not always act accordingly when they were young as well.

You want a team with 52 Boy Scouts and a choir boy. This is real life and in real life players do not always behave perfectly. Going to a club when you are a year underage does not mean you are not worthy of QBing a football team. He showed up at the Manning camp by the way, participating all week. He overslept a morning session on the last day, not the most responsible thing to do but it happens. But you are acting like they found him that morning in a crack house with a French hooker on each arm. Relax already.

Look I'm not saying he doesn't have some maturing to do. I'm just saying there are tons of successful people who didn't always act perfectly when they were 20 years old. Tim Tebow had character, how far did that get him? You do not need to be squeaky clean to be a successful pro QB, there are tons of examples. Now Manzel is being compared to Todd Marinovich? No that's not an overreaction or anything.....

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Old 04-13-2014, 08:56 AM
 
Location: the Chicago suburbs
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Your standards are ridiculous. And if you think Derek Jeter does not go out to clubs you are mistaken.

You are comparing a 20 year old Johnny Manzel to professions in their mid 30's and that is totally unfair. As we can see your heroes did not always act accordingly when they were young as well.

You want a team with 52 Boy Scouts and a choir boy. This is real life and in real life players do not always behave perfectly. Going to a club when you are a year underage does not mean you are not worthy of QBing a football team. He showed up at the Manning camp by the way, participating all week. He overslept a morning session on the last day, not the most responsible thing to do but it happens. But you are acting like they found him that morning in a crack house with a French hooker on each arm. Relax already.

Look I'm not saying he doesn't have some maturing to do. I'm just saying there are tons of successful people who didn't always act perfectly when they were 20 years old. Tim Tebow had character, how far did that get him? You do not need to be squeaky clean to be a successful pro QB, there are tons of examples. Now Manzel is being compared to Todd Marinovich? No that's not an overreaction or anything.....
I know Jeter goes to clubs( where do you think he finds those women) but I've never seen him flash cash like Manziel did. I've never seen a Derek Jeter mugshot, I've seen Manziel's. " overslept", odd way of spelling hungover. I think its a snowball effect. You party a little bit senior yeah of high school, that escalades freshman year of college, it escalades sophomore year. If he's causing trouble as a college kid I doubt he'll slow down once he gets that NFL paycheck. It won't surprise me if, in 3-5 years, Manziel has a Pacman Jones reputation. I don't want 52 boy scouts and a choir boy. I'm a Bears fan, I remember the 85 team, no one on that team( except for maybe Walter but he was tough as nails) could even pass for Boy scouts. I would play it like Phil Jackson did when Rodman came to Chicago. He told the team " I have a set of rules for you and I have a set of rules for Dennis". If I'm the coach of whatever team Manziel goes to, I'm playing it just like that, 52 guys have one set of rules, Johnny has his own set. If all 52 guys get together and say " we're going clubbing" fine, go, Johnny's not allowed to go because TMZ or whatever will follow him and he'll show off when the cameras are on just to get a little more attention.

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Old 04-13-2014, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I may backtrack on Bridgewater, rumor is he had a bad pro day as well as private workouts.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Yeah I was big ob Bridewater too until I saw clips of that pro day, he was sailing passes like Kordell Stewart.

Irish: While I agree that the QB is held to a higher standard your rule that 52 guys can go to a club but Manzell can not is really really over the top in my opinion. It's just way too early to make the claim that he's another PacMan or Marinovich.
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Old 04-14-2014, 10:16 PM
 
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Blake Bortles - Best QB in the draft. Reminds me of Troy Aikman. He'll be a pro-bowler.

Manziel - Overrated. Under 6' tall and played behind the best O-line in college. He was able to scramble around for over 10 seconds waiting for excellent WRs to get open. In the pros, he will have less than 3 seconds.

Bridgewater - fell out of 1st round due to poor Pro Day

Carr - fell out of 1st round due to poor play in the Bowl game vs. USC
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Old 04-15-2014, 04:16 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Not sure if he is as accurate as Aikman but I like Bortles too. Agree with Bridgewater and Carr but don't agree that both slip to round 2. This league needs QBs so badly someone will take a chance.
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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Not a chance in hell. Too short and too reckless. NFL defenses will bury his ass.
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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Pro-bowler? A popularity contest, doesn't mean anything and considering someone in the draft hasn't thrown one pass in one NFL game, too early to make that broad of a statement!
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Old 04-18-2014, 02:08 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Gonna be one of the most intriguing picks in history. Biggest questions are durability after taking NFL hits, ability to play an NFL system, and leadership/character. I loved watching him play in college and watched him live at LSU (which shut him down).

I wouldn't pick him earlier than late 1st round...he might be worth the risk there.
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Old 04-18-2014, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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I would have thought Brees and Wilson would have finally put to bed the "too short" argument. Guess I was wrong. I have no concerns about that or his character. His deep ball and the ability to read a pro defense are the real questions, the rest of his passing game is pretty good.
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