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View Poll Results: Which coaches do you think are the worst?
Lovie Smith 4 8.89%
Jim Schwartz 6 13.33%
Lou Holtz 1 2.22%
Chan Gailey 3 6.67%
Cam Cameron 4 8.89%
Ken Wisenhunt 4 8.89%
Marc Trestman 2 4.44%
Marvin Lewis 3 6.67%
Les Steckel 5 11.11%
Brad Childress 2 4.44%
Rob Chudzinski 2 4.44%
Rich Kotite 7 15.56%
Joe Philbon 4 8.89%
Chip Kelly 4 8.89%
Rod Marinelli 1 2.22%
Norv Turner 5 11.11%
Raheem Morris 1 2.22%
Jason Garrett 2 4.44%
Rex Ryan 3 6.67%
Bobby Petrino 6 13.33%
Jeff Fisher 3 6.67%
Bill Peterson 1 2.22%
Butch Davis 2 4.44%
Eric Mangini 4 8.89%
Nick Saban 3 6.67%
Mike Shanahan 4 8.89%
Tony Sparano 3 6.67%
Dennis Allen 2 4.44%
Greg Schiano 4 8.89%
Tom Cable 4 8.89%
Ray Rhodes 2 4.44%
Josh McDaniels 9 20.00%
Jim Caldwell 1 2.22%
Jim Tomsula 9 20.00%
Jim L. Mora 3 6.67%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-28-2016, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Jason Garrett isn't going anywhere. And really...can anyone honestly say the Cowboys would be doing better under another coach? Wade Phillips couldn't get it done. The same thing would happen under coach.

Stephen A. Smith had a whole rant about this issue: Cowboys coach Jason Garrett has 'significant privilege'; 'damn shame' he has job

I'm partial to Garrett, too. He won Super Bowls with the Cowboys, they were going to offer him the head coaching job when Phillips arrived, but groomed him at offensive coordinator first. Jerry Jones loves him, and the Cowboys did pretty well last season.

Say what you will about the Cowboys' performance under Garrett, but yeah he's not going anywhere at least for the next few years.
Bill Parcells couldn't get it done either nor Dave Campo or Chan Gailey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Campo#Dallas_Cowboys

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey

Since Garrett isn't going anywhere I think Jerry Jones needs to hire better coordinators because the Cowboys are going to lose games.
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Old 03-02-2016, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Rich Kotite has to be the worst, but right up there with him is Ray Handley - NY Giants for a couple of years after Parcells quit
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Old 03-02-2016, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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Dave Shula would get the vote among many Bengals fans. How did he not make the list? The 90s weren't that long ago.
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Old 03-02-2016, 09:12 PM
 
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Dave Shula would get the vote among many Bengals fans. How did he not make the list? The 90s weren't that long ago.
Yeah and in fact, IMO, Shula is only famous for being Don Shula's boy.
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:48 PM
 
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Hue Jackson is with Cleveland. He spent one year as the offensive coordinator for the Raiders in 2010. He then was the HC for the Raiders after the firing of Tom Cable. Jackson was fired after 2011. He was horrible. I personally believe that some of the coaches for the Raiders after John Madden were pretty bad. Art Shell wasn't very good the second time around. His last coaching Job was with Oakland in 2006. He hasn't coached ever since. Tom Cable and Dennis Allen were pretty bad. Jack Del Rio is horrible too. He was not even that good in Jacksonville despite making the playoffs at least one or two times.
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Old 03-13-2016, 10:33 PM
 
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Mike Shanahan is an example of a Tom Landry or a Joe Gibbs who were once great coaches, but never changed with the game.

The worst I have seen in recent memory are Cam Cameron and Chan Galey. Both are good as assistant or specialty coaches, but not as head coaches.
Yeah Gailey was pretty bad with Dallas and Buffalo. Cam Cameron was really bad with Miami. He isn't even that good of a college coach anyways. Plus, do you remember Nick Saban, 2005-2006 with the Dolphins? He was pretty bad too. He is a whole lot better in Alabama than Miami.

Speaking of 1-15, the most recent head coach to go 1-15 was Steve Spagnuolo for the Rams. He's a good defensive coordinator, but he was horrible in St. Louis. Three straight losing seasons and was fired. You might also remember Rod Rust, head coach for the Patriots in 1990. He went 1-15 in his only year with the Pats before being fired.
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Old 03-13-2016, 10:38 PM
 
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Ken Wisenhunt is the offensive coordinator for the Chargers now. His overall record as head coach in the NFL is 40-70. Regarding Wade Phillips, his overall record is 82-61. I didn't think he was that bad because he has an overall record of 82-64 or 61. He might have been bad for Dallas but he took the Cowboys to two seasons of playoff appearances, 2007 and 2009. Lou Saban was pretty bad too. He coached Denver in the late 1960s and at least 1970.
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Old 03-14-2016, 02:31 PM
 
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Rod Rust, 1990 New England Patriots.

Like a lot of guys, he was a good coordinator (defensive coordinator in Rust's case), but not a good head coach.
Plus Rod Rust was also the head coach for the Montreal Alouttes.
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Old 03-18-2016, 10:06 PM
 
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Lou Saban was pretty bad too. He coached Denver in the late 1960s and at least 1970.
A few words on Lou Saban.

It would be easy to carp on Saban regarding his coaching record with Denver. He coached Denver from 1967 to the 6th game in the 1971 season. And he finished with a 20-42-2 record. But if it wasn't for Lou Saban Denver would have lost their franchise. Fact. More on that in a bit.

After a 4-9-1 record with the Boston Patriots in the Patriots (and the AFL's) first season. He brought 4 consecutive winning seasons to Buffalo from 1962 to 1965. He was in the playoffs for three of those years and won the AFL Championship in 1964 and 1965. He left Buffalo in 1966 and coached a year with the Univ. of Maryland. His four year record with Buffalo was 36-17-3.

He came back to Buffalo in 1972 and coached the Bills again from 1972 to the 5th game of the 1976 season. From 1967 to 1971 Buffalo had hit rock bottom. All of Saban's old players had long since retired, the Bills were horribly coached, and Saban's record in those 5 years was 32-28-1. He got the Bills to a wild card birth but just couldn't get by Miami, who won two super bowls through this strtech and easily the class of the AFC from 1971 to 1975.

Saban had a volatile career with Denver but if it wasn't for the Phipps Brothers to acquire majority ownership with the franchise and sign Saban to a ten year contract Denver would have wound up in New Orleans. Truth. When Saban was signed he knew the Broncos had been the worst club in the AFL since its inception. What he DIDN'T know was how dysfunctional the franchise was. He saw the clubs offices in a World War II style quonset hut in Commerce City and the practice field was miles away. Saban signed that contract but told the Phipps what he wanted to start the franchise to respectability. They spent a pile of coin to obtain land out on 1-25 and 58th avenue to build a first class operation with both team offices and practice fields to adjoin.

NFL Commisioner Pete Rozelle had two different business groups ready to buy the franchise and move it. They could have gone to Atlanta--or New Orleans. The franchise stayed in Denver. Saban didn't promise the city super bowls. He promised the city respect. By 1970 the Bronco organization started a consecutive sellout streak that is still going today. They only have the Washington Redskins ahead of them. 46 years of consecutive sellout games.

He was volatile, he had the shortest of tempers known to mankind, he didn't do very well with the media, and sadly left Denver under the darkest of dark clouds. But old time fans of the club and former players know how important he was to the franchise. Pat Bowlen certainly did. As Saban was getting on in years in 2002, four years after their second super bowl victory, Mr. Bowlen got together a testimonial dinner for Saban, acknowledging that if it wasn't for Saban's efforts and the Phipps brothers commitment to keep the franchise in the Mile High City, the franchise would have been lost. He spent a boatload of money paying for traveling expenses for all Bronco players who played for Saban and included former coaches as well. He paid for the hotel expenses--everything.

Lou Saban was important to get the Denver Broncos on the road to respectability. Damn important.
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Old 03-18-2016, 10:48 PM
 
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A few words on Lou Saban.

It would be easy to carp on Saban regarding his coaching record with Denver. He coached Denver from 1967 to the 6th game in the 1971 season. And he finished with a 20-42-2 record. But if it wasn't for Lou Saban Denver would have lost their franchise. Fact. More on that in a bit.

After a 4-9-1 record with the Boston Patriots in the Patriots (and the AFL's) first season. He brought 4 consecutive winning seasons to Buffalo from 1962 to 1965. He was in the playoffs for three of those years and won the AFL Championship in 1964 and 1965. He left Buffalo in 1966 and coached a year with the Univ. of Maryland. His four year record with Buffalo was 36-17-3.

He came back to Buffalo in 1972 and coached the Bills again from 1972 to the 5th game of the 1976 season. From 1967 to 1971 Buffalo had hit rock bottom. All of Saban's old players had long since retired, the Bills were horribly coached, and Saban's record in those 5 years was 32-28-1. He got the Bills to a wild card birth but just couldn't get by Miami, who won two super bowls through this strtech and easily the class of the AFC from 1971 to 1975.

Saban had a volatile career with Denver but if it wasn't for the Phipps Brothers to acquire majority ownership with the franchise and sign Saban to a ten year contract Denver would have wound up in New Orleans. Truth. When Saban was signed he knew the Broncos had been the worst club in the AFL since its inception. What he DIDN'T know was how dysfunctional the franchise was. He saw the clubs offices in a World War II style quonset hut in Commerce City and the practice field was miles away. Saban signed that contract but told the Phipps what he wanted to start the franchise to respectability. They spent a pile of coin to obtain land out on 1-25 and 58th avenue to build a first class operation with both team offices and practice fields to adjoin.

NFL Commisioner Pete Rozelle had two different business groups ready to buy the franchise and move it. They could have gone to Atlanta--or New Orleans. The franchise stayed in Denver. Saban didn't promise the city super bowls. He promised the city respect. By 1970 the Bronco organization started a consecutive sellout streak that is still going today. They only have the Washington Redskins ahead of them. 46 years of consecutive sellout games.

He was volatile, he had the shortest of tempers known to mankind, he didn't do very well with the media, and sadly left Denver under the darkest of dark clouds. But old time fans of the club and former players know how important he was to the franchise. Pat Bowlen certainly did. As Saban was getting on in years in 2002, four years after their second super bowl victory, Mr. Bowlen got together a testimonial dinner for Saban, acknowledging that if it wasn't for Saban's efforts and the Phipps brothers commitment to keep the franchise in the Mile High City, the franchise would have been lost. He spent a boatload of money paying for traveling expenses for all Bronco players who played for Saban and included former coaches as well. He paid for the hotel expenses--everything.

Lou Saban was important to get the Denver Broncos on the road to respectability. Damn important.
Lou's "distant cousin" Nick Saban is a great college coach but in the NFL, well... wasn't that much for an NFL coach. Nick Saban is one of those great college coaches that were unsuccessful coaches. No sour grapes, however. Even Nick didn't want to go discuss the job at Alabama after when Mike Shula was fired from the Crimson Tide. Look at Lou Holtz. In 1976 he was the new head coach for the Jets replacing Charley Winner as Holtz went 3-10 as only season as NFL coach. Another example is Steve Spurrier. Spent two seasons with the Redskins before being replaced by Joe Gibbs. Since Nick wasn't very good with Miami, Cam Cameron was worse. He went 1-15 during his only season with the Dolphins before they fired Cameron. He wasn't even that good of a college coach either.

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