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Old 01-12-2015, 08:43 PM
 
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I just have to watch the game of football to know who the greats are. Stats are great coffee room discussion. But when you look back at a QB's body of work, throw all the crap away and just be an objective fan.

Montana is great, even though he had Jerry Rice, one of the greatest, catching his balls.

Terry Bradshaw was really good winning a lot including Superbowls, but with that defense and Franco Harris running it was so much a team effort.

Tom Brady is great. 9 AFC Championship appearance, 5 Superbowl appearances. Longevity playing at the elite level with a host of characters around him.

Peyton Manning is great. Watch him command the field - he runs the offense like no other. And I'm talking about his body of work, not just this year.

Eli Manning is just ehh, but he and the team rose to the ocassion twice.

Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson - not enough body of work to decide.

Dan Marino - awesome stats, had a decent team around him - no Superbowls. Still a marvel to watch on the field.

We can all go around in circles giving every conceivable number and stat to judge. But any fan only needs to watch the player and it's obvious. And the longer a player excels, the greater they are. One awesome year of stats etc doesn't make a player great. A career of excellence does. In this era, Brady and Manning have stood far above the rest. In the next era, maybe Rodgers, and Luck to follow, bit only time will tell.
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:09 PM
 
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Russell Wilson:
C% (63.4/63.8 )
TD% (5.8*/5.9)
INT% (2.1/0.7* )
AYA (8.2*/9.9* )
ANYA (6.93/8.39* )

Russell Wilson gets better in every single category. His INT% is absurdly low. His AYA and ANYA in the playoffs blow away all the other "elite" QB's come playoff time. In fact, Wilson leads this group in 5 of the 10 possible stats regular and post season. 3 of 5 playoff stats belong to Wilson.
Keep in mind Wilson's sample size is absurdly small compared to all the other QBs on the list. He has essentially played the same number of playoff games as Mark Sanchez who also has pretty good numbers in the post season.
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:42 PM
 
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the trouble with making lists like this is that people tend to forget some of the pioneers of the game. guys like;

Y.A. tittle
barts starr
earl morrel
joe namath
bobby lane
warren moon
len dawson
norm van brocklin
ken anderson
sonny jurgensen
sid luckman
sammy baugh
otto graham
jim plunkett
darryl lamonica
joe kapp
george blanda
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:47 PM
 
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the trouble with making lists like this is that people tend to forget some of the pioneers of the game. guys like;

Y.A. tittle
barts starr
earl morrel
joe namath
bobby lane
warren moon
len dawson
norm van brocklin
ken anderson
sonny jurgensen
sid luckman
sammy baugh
otto graham
jim plunkett
darryl lamonica
joe kapp
george blanda
Has beens.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:35 AM
 
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The trouble with stats is, you look at them long enough, they can be skewed to get almost any viewpoint you want.
AMEN. Stats are just that.. numbers. The eyeball test always outweighs stats. Take this past weekends games,... I watched all of them and don't know the final QB stats off the top of my head but the best QB of the weekend from my POV was Aaron Rodgers, a one legged Aaron Rodgers at that. All the winning QBs played great but only Rodgers single-handedly willed his team to a win. The Others simply played a role, a major role but still a role. JMO.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Has beens.
As soon as they retire, they are has beens? To belittle these greats is the same as belittling the current greats because they all retire.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:45 AM
 
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Has beens.
........................

Umm, WHAT?
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:49 AM
 
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Sorry guys it was a joke. I couldn't resist.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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Nayabone: When you have time please add Sanchez to your list and figure out the numbers. And then light it on fire.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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Sorry guys it was a joke. I couldn't resist.
Heh, ok! My morning Java was boiling in front of my eyes on that one!
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