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Old 01-25-2015, 10:03 AM
 
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And you like others continue to assume there is cheating in this case. And even if the NFL comes back with nothing, you won't believe them. It is so old listening to supposed fans of football outside of New England continue to assume everything.
If the NFL comes back and says there is no evidence of intentional cheating, I can live with that as long as they take steps to eliminate the possibility of similar occurrences in the future, whether intentional or not. But, don't expect me to 100% believe that the effect of the balls being deflated for just one team, does not affect the play of the game, whether it determines the outcome or not.

 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:10 AM
 
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This video illustrates your example:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg
Totally believable. Now let's do the same test on the Colts' footballs and see if the same thing happens.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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Why are you so paranoid that you think anyone who is against cheating is against the Pats? Could it be that they have the most accusations against them? Aren't you being overly sensitive?

I am against cheating at any point. This time around it happens to be the Pats accused of cheating. I did not accuse them, the Colts did. Can we not discuss the possibility the Colts were right? Can we not discuss what should come of it? Can we not discuss what the NFL should do to prevent it in the future? Can we not have a discussion without defenders of the accused turning a blind eye to the facts as they are known at this point?
Paranoid? You must be 100% blind to the court of public opinion. I've heard it on sports, the news, talk shows, for years and years - I'm not making it up - it IS the perception outside of New England. If you think otherwise than I have nothing more to say to you on the matter. I am not being sensitive at all - 8 years of regurgitated Spy Gate and a microscope on New England since then in the national media, which I guess you know nothing about.

The discussion that the Colts may be right has been beaten to death last week, ALL prematurely I may add which goes back to the court of public opinion. You don't even know what the NFL could in the future prevent because you have no idea as to what happened - all you have done is assume like everyone else.

I have NEVER turned a blind eye. The Patriots took their lumps for video taping, but with all of the facts in that case I have read, that was blown WAY out of proportion. To this point there are NO facts other than under-inflated balls, period. I have said repeatedly I will wait until the NFL reports on its investigation before I pass judgement. If Brady and Belichick (who has had multiple pressers) have been outright lying, as a fan I'll deal with that if that becomes true. But unlike others I refuse to assume anything, because I am a believer in innocent until proven guilty.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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If the NFL comes back and says there is no evidence of intentional cheating, I can live with that as long as they take steps to eliminate the possibility of similar occurrences in the future, whether intentional or not. But, don't expect me to 100% believe that the effect of the balls being deflated for just one team, does not affect the play of the game, whether it determines the outcome or not.
So why can't you assume, which you seem to enjoy doing, that the PSI in footballs across the NFL for years has had issues? It's just the targeted Patriots were the first team to get accused of a PSI issue with footballs. And with all of the scientific knowledge coming out, it is 100% feasible that environment effects all footballs. In the Colts case, who knows what the starting PSI was, who know where they kept the balls on the sidelines which could be off several degrees from the Patriots sidelines. Ever been to a stadium? One side can be 10 degrees colder just based on where the sun hits.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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Paranoid? You must be 100% blind to the court of public opinion. I've heard it on sports, the news, talk shows, for years and years - I'm not making it up - it IS the perception outside of New England. If you think otherwise than I have nothing more to say to you on the matter. I am not being sensitive at all - 8 years of regurgitated Spy Gate and a microscope on New England since then in the national media, which I guess you know nothing about.

The discussion that the Colts may be right has been beaten to death last week, ALL prematurely I may add which goes back to the court of public opinion. You don't even know what the NFL could in the future prevent because you have no idea as to what happened - all you have done is assume like everyone else.

I have NEVER turned a blind eye. The Patriots took their lumps for video taping, but with all of the facts in that case I have read, that was blown WAY out of proportion. To this point there are NO facts other than under-inflated balls, period. I have said repeatedly I will wait until the NFL reports on its investigation before I pass judgement. If Brady and Belichick (who has had multiple pressers) have been outright lying, as a fan I'll deal with that if that becomes true. But unlike others I refuse to assume anything, because I am a believer in innocent until proven guilty.
Do you see your own contradiction in the same post? This is what I am saying the NFL should take steps to prevent in the future. Do we need more information from the NFL to make determine that something needs to be done to avoid this in the future?
 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:18 AM
 
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So why can't you assume, which you seem to enjoy doing, that the PSI in footballs across the NFL for years has had issues? It's just the targeted Patriots were the first team to get accused of a PSI issue with footballs. And with all of the scientific knowledge coming out, it is 100% feasible that environment effects all footballs. In the Colts case, who knows what the starting PSI was, who know where they kept the balls on the sidelines which could be off several degrees from the Patriots sidelines. Ever been to a stadium? One side can be 10 degrees colder just based on where the sun hits.
I believe it was raining that day and that was the reason for the suspicion by the Colts. No Sun. Reaching?
 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:20 AM
 
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IMHO the best thing the NFL could do is revert back to the way they handled the balls before 1999, where the home team supplied all the balls, but not allow them to be doctored at all. Put them on the field straight out of the package they come in. If your QB can't play with the balls like that, get a different QB.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:25 AM
 
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Do you see your own contradiction in the same post? This is what I am saying the NFL should take steps to prevent in the future. Do we need more information from the NFL to make determine that something needs to be done to avoid this in the future?
No idea what happened - all we know is under inflated footballs. Where's the contradiction? It's actually the only "facts" we have right now.

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I believe it was raining that day and that was the reason for the suspicion by the Colts. No Sun. Reaching?
Missing my point totally. Conditions on either side of a field - wind speed etc can be different on opposite sides of the field, as can temperature, sun or not. I'm not reaching but just making a point AGAIN that blind assumptions of cheating has run rampant on this story.

You have been reaching in this entire discussion, but I don't expect you to see that. I've made myself as perfectly clear as I can as a Patriots fan, or so I thought. I will move on once the report comes out, regardless of the outcome.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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You know that if the NFL is at fault, they will hide it. I read one story where players were saying that many times the officials only squeezed the balls. They didn't test them with a gauge. Do you think that the NFL or officials would admit that? I don't.
 
Old 01-25-2015, 10:41 AM
 
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If the NFL comes back and says there is no evidence of intentional cheating, I can live with that as long as they take steps to eliminate the possibility of similar occurrences in the future, whether intentional or not. But, don't expect me to 100% believe that the effect of the balls being deflated for just one team, does not affect the play of the game, whether it determines the outcome or not.
Yet another scientific study (from a highly regarded source) that explains not only how the Patriots footballs could have deflated due to the environment, but in fact the Colts footballs could have stayed within specs.

Deflate gate debunked by Carnegie Mellon scientists...

So I suppose I have to be repetitive yet again, but there are so many scientific studies that have been corroborated on this issue that it could explain a lot. But of course some people still won't believe it.
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