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Old 02-06-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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it wasnt a bad call. usually slant patterns are tough to defend unless you flood the secondary. butler just made a great play on the ball, and executed better than the receiver did.
Which was also part of my point...throwing this slant to an inexperienced WR...his name again? Exactly.
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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Which was also part of my point...throwing this slant to an inexperienced WR...his name again? Exactly.
lockett is hardly inexperienced;

Ricardo Lockette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

joined the seahawks in 2011, played for the 49ers in 2012-2013, then went to the bears before going back to the seahawks in 2013.

on the other hand butler joined the patriots in 2014;

Malcolm Butler (American football) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so again who is the inexperienced one here?
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Old 02-06-2015, 09:53 PM
 
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It was Seattle's game to lose. After Edelman's last touchdown in which he pushed off the defender and didn't get flagged for it, Seattle has a no-brainer with 20 seconds left, second down, one time-out, and the best running back in the league. Not to mention a QB who can also run the ball. Dumbest call ever, so yeah, Seattle lost this game more convincingly than New England winning.
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Old 02-06-2015, 11:09 PM
 
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The turning point of this game was when Seattle's nickel corner Lane out. When Lane was out, I knew that Seattle was in serious trouble as the bread and butter of Seattle's defense was pass coverage, not pass rush to Brady. Lane's substitute (Simon) has been terrible all season long...

Seattle's defense did put up a very good game against the Patriots who got 10 possessions. The Hawks allowed 4 touchdowns while forcing the Patriots to punt 4 times and intercepted them 2 times. This is a very impressive feat considering all of Seattle's secondary like Chancellor, Thomas, Sherman, Lane was injured; only Maxwell was spared.

When the score was 24-14, Seattle had the chance to put a dagger to the Patriots but Kearse could not pull down a long lob from Wilson. Had Kearse made that catch, it would have been 1&10 at the 15 of the Patriots. When Kearse could not made that catch, I knew it would come back and haunt Seattle...

As for "The Call", Carroll obviously had ZERO trust in his gassed defense unit (which allowed 2 tds in the 4th quarter) to stop the Patriots who would have had the ball back with two time outs. With a minute left and a time out, Carroll should have hurried up and gave Lynch the chance to run 3 times. Carroll should have ran the ball on 2nd down at the 30 sec mark, 3rd down at the 10 sec mark, then call time out for the 4th play if they had not make it in. Had Seattle scored by snapping the ball at the 30 seconds mark, Brady would have had 20 seconds and two time outs to work with. Carroll obviously did not trust his defense could hold if Brady got 3-4 more plays or Lynch could score in 3 tries.
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Old 02-07-2015, 06:13 AM
 
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The turning point of this game was when Seattle's nickel corner Lane out. When Lane was out, I knew that Seattle was in serious trouble as the bread and butter of Seattle's defense was pass coverage, not pass rush to Brady. Lane's substitute (Simon) has been terrible all season long...

Seattle's defense did put up a very good game against the Patriots who got 10 possessions. The Hawks allowed 4 touchdowns while forcing the Patriots to punt 4 times and intercepted them 2 times. This is a very impressive feat considering all of Seattle's secondary like Chancellor, Thomas, Sherman, Lane was injured; only Maxwell was spared.

When the score was 24-14, Seattle had the chance to put a dagger to the Patriots but Kearse could not pull down a long lob from Wilson. Had Kearse made that catch, it would have been 1&10 at the 15 of the Patriots. When Kearse could not made that catch, I knew it would come back and haunt Seattle...

As for "The Call", Carroll obviously had ZERO trust in his gassed defense unit (which allowed 2 tds in the 4th quarter) to stop the Patriots who would have had the ball back with two time outs. With a minute left and a time out, Carroll should have hurried up and gave Lynch the chance to run 3 times. Carroll should have ran the ball on 2nd down at the 30 sec mark, 3rd down at the 10 sec mark, then call time out for the 4th play if they had not make it in. Had Seattle scored by snapping the ball at the 30 seconds mark, Brady would have had 20 seconds and two time outs to work with. Carroll obviously did not trust his defense could hold if Brady got 3-4 more plays or Lynch could score in 3 tries.
The only caveat to your argument is that the Pat's defense shut out Seattle's O in the 4th quarter. Basically the 4th q was "owned" by the Pats O who put up 14 unanswered points and Pats D who allowed 0 points in the 4th. Really this it, had the Seattle O or D made one meaningful play in the entire 4th quarter the game would have been different.
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Old 02-07-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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lockett is hardly inexperienced;

Ricardo Lockette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

joined the seahawks in 2011, played for the 49ers in 2012-2013, then went to the bears before going back to the seahawks in 2013.

on the other hand butler joined the patriots in 2014;

Malcolm Butler (American football) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so again who is the inexperienced one here?
Look at what you linked (Did you read it? Practice team vet): Yeah, he has more experience than Butler (but not by much!), not my point. He is not the guy you want to throw the ball to in that situation. Inexperienced route runner. Career Receptions: 18, going into Week 17--from your link. Not experienced--so what he was on a roster? He hasnt played much. Inexperienced.
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Old 02-07-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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The turning point of this game was when Seattle's nickel corner Lane out. When Lane was out, I knew that Seattle was in serious trouble as the bread and butter of Seattle's defense was pass coverage, not pass rush to Brady. Lane's substitute (Simon) has been terrible all season long...

Seattle's defense did put up a very good game against the Patriots who got 10 possessions. The Hawks allowed 4 touchdowns while forcing the Patriots to punt 4 times and intercepted them 2 times. This is a very impressive feat considering all of Seattle's secondary like Chancellor, Thomas, Sherman, Lane was injured; only Maxwell was spared.

When the score was 24-14, Seattle had the chance to put a dagger to the Patriots but Kearse could not pull down a long lob from Wilson. Had Kearse made that catch, it would have been 1&10 at the 15 of the Patriots. When Kearse could not made that catch, I knew it would come back and haunt Seattle...

As for "The Call", Carroll obviously had ZERO trust in his gassed defense unit (which allowed 2 tds in the 4th quarter) to stop the Patriots who would have had the ball back with two time outs. With a minute left and a time out, Carroll should have hurried up and gave Lynch the chance to run 3 times. Carroll should have ran the ball on 2nd down at the 30 sec mark, 3rd down at the 10 sec mark, then call time out for the 4th play if they had not make it in. Had Seattle scored by snapping the ball at the 30 seconds mark, Brady would have had 20 seconds and two time outs to work with. Carroll obviously did not trust his defense could hold if Brady got 3-4 more plays or Lynch could score in 3 tries.
I thought the EXACT same thing at this point...
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Old 02-07-2015, 06:00 PM
 
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Look at what you linked (Did you read it? Practice team vet): Yeah, he has more experience than Butler (but not by much!), not my point. He is not the guy you want to throw the ball to in that situation. Inexperienced route runner. Career Receptions: 18, going into Week 17--from your link. Not experienced--so what he was on a roster? He hasnt played much. Inexperienced.
yep, inexperienced compared to a first year rookie.
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Old 02-07-2015, 06:49 PM
 
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yep, inexperienced compared to a first year rookie.
Again, you missed my point. My point is, he is inexperienced on his own merit. Im not throwing to an inexperienced route runner (very green) in that spot no matter who is on him--rookie, vet, or alien.

And, by the way, he has only played in 26 games. Barely over a first year player himself.
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Old 02-07-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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The Seahawks made a bad play, but the PAtriots WON that game. Tom Brady had maybe the best 4th Quarter any QB has ever had in the super Bowl, 13/15 with two TDs against an all-time great defense? Ridiculous.
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