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Old 05-07-2015, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Hard to respect the Colts for tattling about something that likely happens all the time. They should have taken their beating like grown-ups.
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Old 05-07-2015, 08:38 PM
 
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I notice that the initial reaction to the report by the sports pundits was to condemn the Patriots. That is most likely because they only read the "executive summary." As they've slogged their way through the entire report, however, many people are calling into question some of the investigation and rational for the conclusions.
Definitely.

The deeper and more detailed you get into the 243-page report (which I downloaded as a keepsake to remind me what pathetic is), the holes in the report are cannonball sized.

Thing is, this whole report was nothing more then the preliminary round before what really matters - what the NFL does with it.

I think the NFL has two choices here.

If they are going to penalize, it has to be against Brady only, because the report basically clears those in the office. If the NFL listens to the fans (who pay the bills of this billion dollar industry), the naive fans who just want blood, they will have to come down heavy with a suspension, as money means nothing and will not satisfy the purpose of penalizing. The fans who think Kraft and Goodell are buddies wants blood. The fans who hate Brady wants blood.

The other choice is to say the report proves nothing, is inconclusive, and no penalties will be given. But, the NFL also has to admit they need to clean up their act. They need to address ball handling of course. The NFL has mucked up many things.

I have seen some totally ignorant responses to this. Some fans think this is worse than Bounty Gate. Yeah, paying people to hurt others is far less important than PSI's in a ball. Yet another example of the stupidity of humanity, from the response, to Wells and this ??? report, to Goodell and his inability to run a billion dollar company.
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Did anyone read the entire report? I have not read the entire report but have downloaded and read excerpts so far. I have been listening to SirusXM NFL radio, reading FoxSports & ESPN etc. As I read more bits of this 243 page fiasco which to me equates to a huge waste of money and time, the whole thing becomes more of a sham.

Item#13 - the final in list of conclusions:

"13. In sum,[b] the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether
there was or was not tampering
So?

Why does there need to be "absolute certainty?"

That isn't even the standard of proof in criminal courts in our country, let alone civil courts.

According to the Wells Report, the preponderance of evidence standard is met and it is likely (though not absolute) that the Patriots cheated. That is enough evidence in court and it is certainly enough evidence under the CBA that is currently in place.

Of course, there is also no "absolute certainty" that O.J. killed Nicole. Have you been out helping look for "the real killer?"
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Old 05-07-2015, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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The Colts were blown out by the Patriots. The balls did not matter. They did not cause Luck to go 12 of 33 for 126 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs.
So?

Is it OK to cheat as long as you win by a large margin?

Is that now the accepted standard?

Furthermore, does anyone REALLY believe that they only cheated in the game against the Colts?

The Patriots are PROVEN cheaters. That is beyond dispute.

Why should we think that they only get caught when they actually do cheat? What bad luck they must have if that is the case.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Regardless of the cheating, the reason Brady (and maybe the Patriots) will be disciplined by the league, is the failure to cooperate.

The CBA states failure to cooperate in an investigation constitutes conduct detrimental to the league. That is what the league will use as a basis for punishment, not necessarily any allegations of cheating.

Brady, who many claim is innocent of wrongdoing, refused to turn over text messages that were pertinent to the investigation. The Patriots refused to allow the ball boy to give a follow up interview.

This all happened after Bob Kraft said they would do everything necessary to aid in the investigation.

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The report said Patriots counsel apparently didn’t inform McNally of the request, and that the refusal “violated the club's obligations to cooperate with the investigation under the Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of League Rules and was inconsistent with public statements made by the Patriots pledging full cooperation with the investigation.”
That is what will be the basis for discipline, not the actual cheating.
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Old 05-07-2015, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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Lance Armstrong never cheated either lol
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Old 05-08-2015, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Hiding from Antifa?
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Remember when Kraft promised Goodel and the press that every one in the Pats organization would cooperate with the investigation?

Shouldn't Kraft be subject to a fine for failing to come through on his promise?
I repeat with emphasis, the above. Remember Richard Nixon? It wasn't the breaking that cost him his job. It was the cover-up. Does anybody really think the Pats organization will get off scott free in this? Other than Metalman, that is
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Old 05-08-2015, 05:44 AM
 
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It seems to me if a ball is deflated somewhat, it would be "heavier" wouldn't it?
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Old 05-08-2015, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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people like Brady with butt chins are morally bankrupt
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:41 AM
 
Location: AriZona
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Regardless of the outcome, this is a major setback for both the NFL and the NE Patriots. If Brady gets suspended, it will greatly hurt his team and his legacy, if it hasn't already.

Do I still respect what the Pats have done as a football team? Absolutely. However, the NFL definitely needs to be part of the solution if one of their elite teams has crossed the line.
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