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Old 02-19-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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Agreed that the ultimate goal in the NFL is to win the SB. I wrote about that in post ( #27 ).

In post ( #22 ) I openly stated that I was imagining the Patriots players would have rather won the SB, while you guaranteed they would in post ( #24 ). In post ( #25 ), I was simply pointing out to you that you were in no position to make a guarantee. No big deal in the grand scheme of things! I hope you will agree to dissolve the deadlock you declared and allow this most interesting discussion to continue.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:44 PM
 
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Well of course they are going to say that in public...that's expected of them! That is perhaps the most over-used cliche in sports. I imagine that a few players have the intelligence to think for themselves and realize what a ridiculous concept it is to judge the entire season on one game. Over the course of the season, the Patriots players actually had an opportunity to experience themselves as winners far more often then the Giants players. Losing one game, even if that game just happened to be the BIG GAME doesn't negate that reality! Certainly it's a disappointment, but that's really all it is. Unfortunately, these guys have been brainwashed since their first day of organized sports to believe they are failures unless they win the BIG GAME.
I bet you're a big fan of the BCS
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:57 PM
 
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I think the BCS is a slight improvement on the previous system but I'd still like to see some type of Playoff system, including perhaps the 16 top ranked teams in the country. The arbitrary ranking would still be part of the system selecting the top 16 teams, but once the tournament started, teams would have to win games to advance. This would allow a hot team, perhaps ranked only #5 to have shot at the coveted Championship. ( similar to the GIANTS of the NFL ). If it didn't make for an interminably long season, a double elimination tournament would be really exciting in college football and the NFL.

I would also like to do away with the emphasis on winner take all and recognize more teams as winners, something akin to the GOLD, SILVER, & BRONZE medal system employed in the Olympics. In this years NFL season, the Bronze Medal game would have featured the Chargers vs the Packers which could have been played one week prior to the Super Bowl. The fans would get to see an extra game between 2 really good teams. The Super Bowl would become the Gold Medal game, with the winner earning the Gold and the loser taking the Silver. The Silver medal winner would still be disappointed initially, but they would also be the recipient of some well deserved recognition for winning the Silver medal. Coming in second or third is still a noteworthy accomplishment and need not be completly overshadowed by the Gold medal winner. IMO there is way too much emphasis on winning the Gold. It's a worthy goal, but needn't be the only measure of succes in sports.

NFL Medal Winners:

GOLD - GIANTS
SILVER - PATRIOTS
BRONZE - CHARGERS or PACKERS ( game to be played )

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Old 02-19-2008, 04:35 PM
 
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^ I see your wanting to see a "bronze medal game" like they do in the Olympics. However, given that none of the pro teams have such a concept (e.g. MLB, NBA, NFL, and NHL), I don't foresee that becoming a reality. There would be too little interest from fans and possibly the players to have such a "consolation" game. I'd like to keep the medal concept to the Olympics. It's a great concept, but one that should remain w/ sports where many countries are competing w/ each other.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:09 PM
 
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A team is only as good as their last game. Simple as that.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:37 AM
 
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I think the BCS is a slight improvement on the previous system but I'd still like to see some type of Playoff system, including perhaps the 16 top ranked teams in the country. The arbitrary ranking would still be part of the system selecting the top 16 teams, but once the tournament started, teams would have to win games to advance. This would allow a hot team, perhaps ranked only #5 to have shot at the coveted Championship. ( similar to the GIANTS of the NFL ). If it didn't make for an interminably long season, a double elimination tournament would be really exciting in college football and the NFL.

I would also like to do away with the emphasis on winner take all and recognize more teams as winners, something akin to the GOLD, SILVER, & BRONZE medal system employed in the Olympics. In this years NFL season, the Bronze Medal game would have featured the Chargers vs the Packers which could have been played one week prior to the Super Bowl. The fans would get to see an extra game between 2 really good teams. The Super Bowl would become the Gold Medal game, with the winner earning the Gold and the loser taking the Silver. The Silver medal winner would still be disappointed initially, but they would also be the recipient of some well deserved recognition for winning the Silver medal. Coming in second or third is still a noteworthy accomplishment and need not be completly overshadowed by the Gold medal winner. IMO there is way too much emphasis on winning the Gold. It's a worthy goal, but needn't be the only measure of succes in sports.

NFL Medal Winners:

GOLD - GIANTS
SILVER - PATRIOTS
BRONZE - CHARGERS or PACKERS ( game to be played )
Not the worst idea I've ever seen. Although its all about the gold..lets face it. I for one think that getting to the Super Bowl is a major accomplishment. It does not take away from a good season. Winning it all however is what makes it memorable.
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Old 02-20-2008, 09:53 AM
 
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Although its all about the gold..lets face it.
No one would argue that!

IMO, there is way too much emphasis on the gold, to the point where it's not really a healthy thing. WINNING is so deeply ingrained in the psyche of America, that very few people even question it.
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:51 AM
 
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Very few remember who finished in 2nd or 3rd place. Winners are hardly forgotten, though.
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:03 PM
 
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Very few remember who finished in 2nd or 3rd place. Winners are hardly forgotten, though.
My point exactly!

In reality, to stage a game in any sport, 2 teams are required. One will be the winner and the other will be the loser. There couldn't be a winner without a loser. IMO, too bad that few people are willing to salute the loser along with the winner. Winning and losing are 2 sides of the same coin.
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Old 02-20-2008, 03:46 PM
 
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NAR, don't despair. Even the losers (i.e. those who didn't win) will still do OK. The Patriots still made a ton of money and those athletes who come in 2nd or 3rd place in the Olympics will still have a great career as an athlete if they turn pro or as a trainer, announcer, etc. I personally am not upset about the high emphasis on winning.
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