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10-04-2016, 07:47 AM
 Location: God's Country 5,188 posts, read 3,532,825 times Reputation: 8689

Punt returner returns punt 30 yds. On the next punt, he fair catches. Is the fair catch ignored for purposes of his personal statistics, or is it considered, with the result being two returns for a total of 30 yds., 15 yds. average return?

QB sacked in the pocket, loss of 10 yds. Are these 10 yds. subtracted from his positive passing yardage?

QBR. It seems that completion % is weighted twice? First, it is considered directly, e.g., 25 for 40= 62.5%. But then it's indirectly considered by figuring yds. per attempt, rather than yds. per completion. Yds. per attempt seems redundant. Yds. per completion seems more meaningful, and, as stated above, % of completions is already factored into the equation. Any statistically-minded fans care to weigh in?

10-04-2016, 08:31 AM
 Location: Bel Air, California 21,442 posts, read 22,000,772 times Reputation: 33773
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 Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62 Punt returner returns punt 30 yds. On the next punt, he fair catches. Is the fair catch ignored for purposes of his personal statistics, or is it considered, with the result being two returns for a total of 30 yds., 15 yds. average return? QB sacked in the pocket, loss of 10 yds. Are these 10 yds. subtracted from his positive passing yardage? QBR. It seems that completion % is weighted twice? First, it is considered directly, e.g., 25 for 40= 62.5%. But then it's indirectly considered by figuring yds. per attempt, rather than yds. per completion. Yds. per attempt seems redundant. Yds. per completion seems more meaningful, and, as stated above, % of completions is already factored into the equation. Any statistically-minded fans care to weigh in?

afaik...

fc's not included in avg

net team ydg. yes, but not QB's indiv stat

I ignore QBR as it is a stat used exclusively be commies

10-04-2016, 08:34 AM
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 Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62 Punt returner returns punt 30 yds. On the next punt, he fair catches. Is the fair catch ignored for purposes of his personal statistics, or is it considered, with the result being two returns for a total of 30 yds., 15 yds. average return?
A far catch is not a punt return. Same deal as when a batter in baseball walks - it's not an at-bat.

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 Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62 QB sacked in the pocket, loss of 10 yds. Are these 10 yds. subtracted from his positive passing yardage?
No. But it is part of the team's net passing performance. So, if a team has one passer who is 10-20 for 150 yards, and is sacked 3x for a total loss of 15 yards, that team's net passing is 135 yards. The team's quarterback has 150 yards passing.

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 Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62 QBR. It seems that completion % is weighted twice? First, it is considered directly, e.g., 25 for 40= 62.5%. But then it's indirectly considered by figuring yds. per attempt, rather than yds. per completion. Yds. per attempt seems redundant. Yds. per completion seems more meaningful, and, as stated above, % of completions is already factored into the equation. Any statistically-minded fans care to weigh in?
The number of completions does not factor into yards per attempt. Yards per attempt is constant regardless of the number of completions. So, no, completion % is not weighted twice.

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10-04-2016, 08:34 AM
 Location: Gulf Coast Texas 28,640 posts, read 15,537,661 times Reputation: 11492
I don't know if the QBR in the OP is referring to the traditional QB rating, or the ESPN QBR.

10-04-2016, 11:15 AM
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 Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62 Punt returner returns punt 30 yds. On the next punt, he fair catches. Is the fair catch ignored for purposes of his personal statistics, or is it considered, with the result being two returns for a total of 30 yds., 15 yds. average return?

Fair Catches are like walks (or hit by pitches, sac flies) in baseball. If a PR has 2 returns for 25 & 50 yards and fair catches the 3rd punt his average will be 25 yards a return. If a batter is 1-2 and gets hit by a pitch and has a sac fly in his final 2 At bats they will finish the game at .500

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 Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62 QB sacked in the pocket, loss of 10 yds. Are these 10 yds. subtracted from his positive passing yardage?

No. Just the team net passing yards. So, if the QB had 100 yards passing with that 10 yard loss on the sac he would have 100 yards passing, but the team as a whole would only have a net of 90 yards passing. IIRC, in college it counts towards the QB's actual rushing total (i.e he has 5 runs for 5 yards + 3 sacks for a total of -10 yards the rushing total would be -5 yards).

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 Originally Posted by Calvert Hall '62 QBR. It seems that completion % is weighted twice? First, it is considered directly, e.g., 25 for 40= 62.5%. But then it's indirectly considered by figuring yds. per attempt, rather than yds. per completion. Yds. per attempt seems redundant. Yds. per completion seems more meaningful, and, as stated above, % of completions is already factored into the equation. Any statistically-minded fans care to weigh in?

I don't even try to figure out QBR, so hopefully someone has an answer that actually knows something about it.
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