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Old 02-05-2017, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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In respect to Brady: He's really been the beneficiary of some of the stupidest play calling in NFL history that has gift-wrapped him 2 Super Bowls, and had it handed to him on a silver platter:


In Super Bowl 49, the worst play call in NFL history gift-wrapped Brady his 4th ring, but his first in what 9 years?? When the Seahawks, with the ball on the Patriots 2 yard line trailing by 4 decided to throw the ball instead of handing it off to bruiusing RB Marshawn Lynch who the Pats have had trouble tackling all day and was excellent in short yardage spots like that. The pass was tipped and intercepted and the Patriots held onto the 4 point win.


2 years later after the Falcons had seen a 25 point late 3rd quarter lead evaporate to 8, they had the ball on the Patriots 22 yard line with about 4:45 to play, well within Matt Bryant's range to restore a 2 possession lead for the Falcons. Instead of running 3 straight plays which would have either: A) burned 2 minutes off the already dwindling game clock or B) caused the Patriots to start using their 3 timeouts they pass with Ryan getting sacked, and coupled with a holding penalty on the next pass play knocks them out of field goal range. The Patriots, having only lost about 50 seconds on the game clock instead of 2 minutes AND having saved their timeouts score on the next possession, get the ball first in OT and that was all she wrote.


How do the Patriots ALWAYS end up on the lucky side of completely inept and brain-dead play calling by the opposition?? Do the opposing OC's have money on the Patriots?? Are the opposing OC's throwing the game to the Patriots on purpose in hopes that Brady & Belicheck will retire after they come back and win?? I don't want this to be a total knock on Brady: he was instrumental in the first Super Bowl the Seahawks gagged away leading the Patriots back in the 4th quarter when they were down 10 on that "vaunted" Seahawks secondary, and today didn't make any mistakes in the 2nd half, and kept the team in the game which allowed the defense to take change and limit Atlanta's "vaunted" offense in the 2nd half. But man, the last 2 Super Bowl's he's had have been completely gift-wrapped for him. Let's hold off on the goat talk. If they were facing competent OC's, he'd still be at 3 Super Bowl's and the talk would be of "how he's Marino" in "getting there, but never winning" instead of one of the greatest of all time.

 
Old 02-05-2017, 10:44 PM
 
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In respect to Brady: He's really been the beneficiary of some of the stupidest play calling in NFL history that has gift-wrapped him 2 Super Bowls, and had it handed to him on a silver platter:


In Super Bowl 49, the worst play call in NFL history gift-wrapped Brady his 4th ring, but his first in what 9 years?? When the Seahawks, with the ball on the Patriots 2 yard line trailing by 4 decided to throw the ball instead of handing it off to bruiusing RB Marshawn Lynch who the Pats have had trouble tackling all day and was excellent in short yardage spots like that. The pass was tipped and intercepted and the Patriots held onto the 4 point win.


2 years later after the Falcons had seen a 25 point late 3rd quarter lead evaporate to 8, they had the ball on the Patriots 22 yard line with about 4:45 to play, well within Matt Bryant's range to restore a 2 possession lead for the Falcons. Instead of running 3 straight plays which would have either: A) burned 2 minutes off the already dwindling game clock or B) caused the Patriots to start using their 3 timeouts they pass with Ryan getting sacked, and coupled with a holding penalty on the next pass play knocks them out of field goal range. The Patriots, having only lost about 50 seconds on the game clock instead of 2 minutes AND having saved their timeouts score on the next possession, get the ball first in OT and that was all she wrote.


How do the Patriots ALWAYS end up on the lucky side of completely inept and brain-dead play calling by the opposition?? Do the opposing OC's have money on the Patriots?? Are the opposing OC's throwing the game to the Patriots on purpose in hopes that Brady & Belicheck will retire after they come back and win?? I don't want this to be a total knock on Brady: he was instrumental in the first Super Bowl the Seahawks gagged away leading the Patriots back in the 4th quarter when they were down 10 on that "vaunted" Seahawks secondary, and today didn't make any mistakes in the 2nd half, and kept the team in the game which allowed the defense to take change and limit Atlanta's "vaunted" offense in the 2nd half. But man, the last 2 Super Bowl's he's had have been completely gift-wrapped for him. Let's hold off on the goat talk. If they were facing competent OC's, he'd still be at 3 Super Bowl's and the talk would be of "how he's Marino" in "getting there, but never winning" instead of one of the greatest of all time.

Give it a freaking rest....

If not for a ridiculous Kearse catch Seahawks never have an opportunity to go for the win...

If not for 2 ridiculous late game Giants catches Brady has 2 more rings.....the what ifs are just nonsense

Yeah a 25 point deficit was " gift wrapped" for Brady

Anyone arguing against Brady after TONIGHT like you just sounds ridiculous
 
Old 02-05-2017, 10:56 PM
 
Location: SF Giants Nation 2010◆2012◆2014
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Haven't caught up with the thread yet, but jumping in with this fact, Brady is now the 2nd-oldest QB to win the SB, behind Manning.

Here are the oldest SB-winning QBs, in order:

Manning
Brady
Elway
Unitas
Elway
Morrall
 
Old 02-05-2017, 10:58 PM
 
Location: SF Giants Nation 2010◆2012◆2014
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How do the Patriots ALWAYS end up on the lucky side of completely inept and brain-dead play calling by the opposition?? Do the opposing OC's have money on the Patriots?? Are the opposing OC's throwing the game to the Patriots on purpose in hopes that Brady & Belicheck will retire after they come back and win??
Really?

Those theories belong in the same storage warehouse as we faked the moon landings (edit, add), and the Ark of the Covenant at the end of that Indiana Jones movie.
 
Old 02-05-2017, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth, USA
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Last two were choked away especially that Seahawk play.

Just because brady has 5 doesn't automatically mean the greatest.

Bill russell has 11 rings doesn't mean he's the goat. Horry has 7 rings doesn't mean he's the greatest power foward ever. Stupid argument.
 
Old 02-05-2017, 11:38 PM
 
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There are a lot of posts that have to be deleted here, will close this thread to let people cool down a tad. Will decide later whether to re-open this thread.

An observation here--to stay consistent with the thread title, I believe the question has been answered regarding the best quarterback.
 
Old 03-26-2017, 09:13 PM
 
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Default It Was the Player's Game Then

When Double H re-opens this thread, here is what I want people to know:

"On black-and-white televisions, in a black and white time, men played football for something less than a living and something more than money. They didn't deny the attractiveness of money. On their own scale, they were as venal a collection of chiselers and money-grubbers as professional athletes are today. But they were football players first."

So begins the Preface in the book "Johnny U, The Life and Times of John Unitas" by Tom Callahan.

The book is so rich with the American experience that I must recommend it, no matter your favorite team or your choice of GOAT QB. The book may be about Johnny U but in the larger context it's about a game we all love and in that respect the story of Johnny U and football is the story of all of us. They were football players first, it was the player's game then. I invite you to read it; good football is good football.
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