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Old 01-22-2017, 08:56 PM
 
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If you're saying NE is vulnerable to lose against the right type of team, you're right. If you're saying NE is overrated and we don't know if they're for real until the AFCCG because they play garbage teams, including the divisional round, each year, I think they've gotten past that.

This year and 2014 have been horrible for AFC matchups in the conference finals. The Colts took advantage of a hobbled Manning and took their weak defense into NE and got smoked. The Steelers have played lousy on the road all year. Big Ben threw 9 TD's and 8ints on the road this year. Their secondary has been lit up on the road all season this year and was their glaring weakness.


Strange how NE goes into Denver with their offense struggling last year and gets pounded in the AFC title game. We need to lighten up the rules and allow teams to play defense again. This league looks like arena football and watching a glorified game of seven on seven catch is not entertaining unless your a stat rat in a fantasy league.
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Old 01-22-2017, 08:57 PM
 
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Their poor division is still a valid argument. Seattle went 4-0 this year playing the AFC East.
Buffalo hasn't had a post season berth since 2000, the Jets have been garbage and Miami backs inas the six seed this year because of lack of quality teams overall in the AFC. Their division is trash.
This is such a lame argument. New England went 9-1 vs. teams OUTSIDE of the AFC East this season. They went 8-2 against teams OUTSIDE of the AFC East last year. The AFC South was a weaker division this season as was NFC West. The AFC East went 10-6 vs. the NFC West this year.
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Old 01-22-2017, 08:58 PM
 
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This year and 2014 have been horrible for AFC matchups in the conference finals. The Colts took advantage of a hobbled Manning and took their weak defense into NE and got smoked. The Steelers have played lousy on the road all year. Big Ben threw 9 TD's and 8ints on the road this year. Their secondary has been lit up on the road all season this year and was their glaring weakness.


Strange how NE goes into Denver with their offense struggling last year and gets pounded in the AFC title game. We need to lighten up the rules and allow teams to play defense again. This league looks like arena football and watching a glorified game of seven on seven catch is not entertaining unless your a stat rat in a fantasy league.
You can thank the Indianapolis Colts for crying to the league after the 2004 AFC title game when the Patriots beat the crap out of their receivers.
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:06 PM
 
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This year and 2014 have been horrible for AFC matchups in the conference finals. The Colts took advantage of a hobbled Manning and took their weak defense into NE and got smoked. The Steelers have played lousy on the road all year. Big Ben threw 9 TD's and 8ints on the road this year. Their secondary has been lit up on the road all season this year and was their glaring weakness.


Strange how NE goes into Denver with their offense struggling last year and gets pounded in the AFC title game. We need to lighten up the rules and allow teams to play defense again. This league looks like arena football and watching a glorified game of seven on seven catch is not entertaining unless your a stat rat in a fantasy league.
True, but the divisional game against Baltimore was the true AFCCG. That was a good matchup, though how Baltimore got that far with the worst secondary in the history of football is beyond me.

NE was also playing against a Denver team whose fans claim they were the greatest defense of all time (I don't buy it, but I guess they're up there). Again, NE is not unbeatable -- we've seen the formula for beating them. But they are for real. We're likely not going to see the type of team that marched onto the field in the playoffs against Baltimore 7 years ago and forgot how to play football. Not unless Brady pulls a Favre or Manning in the next couple years.
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:08 PM
 
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I agree but New England has gotten better since 2012. They're no longer a soft team. By some measures, they have a top defense, and certainly had a strong defense when they won it all 2 years ago.


This season here are the quarterbacks the Patriots defense has faced in that span, along with their passer ratings for the year:
Colin Kaepernick, 90.7
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 69.6
Jared Goff, 63.6
Joe Flacco, 83.5
Trevor Siemian, 84.6
Bryce Petty, 60.0
Matt Moore, 105.6
Brock Osweiler, 72.2


The best passer they saw was Moore, a backup who hadn’t started a game since 2011 before Ryan Tannehill was injured in December. Six of the eight quarterbacks listed placed 23rd or lower in league rankings.


The streak of bad passers goes beyond New England’s latter-half schedule. The Patriots beat the Steelers in Week 7, yet that quality road win was marred by the presence of Landry Jones behind center in Ben Roethlisberger’s stead. A Week 1 victory over the Cardinals looked impressive at face value, but Carson Palmer’s quarterback rating dropped by more than 17 points from 2015 to 2016.
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:15 PM
 
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The AFC sucked this year, there's no question about it. Baltimore's offense didn't play to its potential, Pittsburgh won a lot of games but wasn't that great, Cincinnati was awful, Oakland fell apart, KC played well but fell flat in the playoffs, Houston and Miami were bad. The fact that there was no competition this year doesn't mean NE is overrated. I agree the way they played didn't feel quite like a 14-2 team, but it's not their fault there was no competition in the AFC.
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Old 01-22-2017, 09:15 PM
 
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This is such a lame argument. New England went 9-1 vs. teams OUTSIDE of the AFC East this season. They went 8-2 against teams OUTSIDE of the AFC East last year. The AFC South was a weaker division this season as was NFC West. The AFC East went 10-6 vs. the NFC West this year.

Oh please, lets take a look at the QB's the Patriots faced this year:





Colin Kaepernick, 90.7
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 69.6
Jared Goff, 63.6
Joe Flacco, 83.5
Trevor Siemian, 84.6
Bryce Petty, 60.0
Matt Moore, 105.6
Brock Osweiler, 72.2
Tyrod Taylor
Landry Jones
a struggling Palmer and Dalton


Not exactly a group of QB's that put fear in opposing defenses lol!!!


Seattle swept the AFC East this year and destroyed NE oh they have a good QB Russel Wilson

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Old 01-22-2017, 10:02 PM
 
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Oh please, lets take a look at the QB's the Patriots faced this year:





Colin Kaepernick, 90.7
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 69.6
Jared Goff, 63.6
Joe Flacco, 83.5
Trevor Siemian, 84.6
Bryce Petty, 60.0
Matt Moore, 105.6
Brock Osweiler, 72.2
Tyrod Taylor
Landry Jones
a struggling Palmer and Dalton


Not exactly a group of QB's that put fear in opposing defenses lol!!!


Seattle swept the AFC East this year and destroyed NE oh they have a good QB Russel Wilson
Seattle "destroyed" New England???

Is that what they call it when the team has the ball on the other teams 1 yard line down by 7 and fails to convert on what was likely a PI non call??

That's getting "destroyed"?

How was the NFC West where Seattle plays?? Oh yeah....far WORSE than the AFC East which sent 2 teams to the playoffs...

Where is Seattle now? Oh yeah, home on their couches....

The argument of "Who did New England play?" is tired and lame....

The fact is there aren't that many "good" teams in the NFL at this time and even fewer "great" ones...

Look at who Atlanta played this year....

GB got the sweep that Aaron predicted but who did they play down the stretch?



Pittsburgh supposedly had an unstoppable offense and Pats held them to 9 points before a garbage time TD
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:05 PM
 
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Oh please, lets take a look at the QB's the Patriots faced this year:





Colin Kaepernick, 90.7
Ryan Fitzpatrick, 69.6
Jared Goff, 63.6
Joe Flacco, 83.5
Trevor Siemian, 84.6
Bryce Petty, 60.0
Matt Moore, 105.6
Brock Osweiler, 72.2
Tyrod Taylor
Landry Jones
a struggling Palmer and Dalton


Not exactly a group of QB's that put fear in opposing defenses lol!!!


Seattle swept the AFC East this year and destroyed NE oh they have a good QB Russel Wilson
What are you trying to accomplish? To prove New England isn't a good team? Also, how exactly did Seattle "destroy" the Patriots this year? I seem to recall a 31-24 Seattle victory. Feel free to check to box score to see just how close the game was.

Since you like talking about the NFC so much, New England has won 80% of its regular season games vs. the NFC in the last 16 seasons. In 15 of those 16 years, they have won at least 3 games against that conference.
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Old 01-22-2017, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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I went 1-1 today, having picked Green Bay and New England, and a respectable 8-2 for the playoffs. I really expected closer games.

I'll take the Pats in SB LI.
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