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View Poll Results: Who do you consider to be the greatest coaches?
Bill Belichick 18 66.67%
Tom Landry 9 33.33%
Bill Parcells 4 14.81%
Vince Lombardi 16 59.26%
Joe Gibbs 5 18.52%
Don Shula 10 37.04%
Jimmy Johnson 3 11.11%
Barry Switzer 1 3.70%
Pete Carroll 1 3.70%
Chuck Noll 7 25.93%
George Halas 2 7.41%
Curly Lambeau 2 7.41%
Bud Grant 2 7.41%
Bill Walsh 13 48.15%
Jim Harbaugh 1 3.70%
Mike Ditka 1 3.70%
John Madden 4 14.81%
Don Coryell 2 7.41%
Tom Coughlin 1 3.70%
Weeb Eubank 1 3.70%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-26-2017, 07:51 PM
 
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Landry for five Super Bowl appearances with a team he built from the ground up as an expansion franchise.

Lombardi for his rapid turnaround in an era when that usually took a lot longer, and for his five titles.

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Scooter McClean was head coach of the Green Bay Packers in 1958 and his club finished 1-10-1.

On that squad was Forrest Gregg, Dave Hanner, Paul Hornung, Bart Starr, Jim Taylor, Jerry Kramer, Jim Ringo, Max McGee, Ray Nitschke, and Bill Forester.

Lombardi saw lots of problems. No discipline, for one. Yes, he yelled. And screamed. But he knew talent and where that talent would be best utilized. He shuffled the offensive line around, put Taylor in at fullback instead of special teams, had Hornung in as halfback, settled in with Starr as his quarterback, and traded for Willie Davis who came from the Browns.

Willie Wood was a qb from Southern Cal, Lombardi told him he wouldn't make it as a qb but told him I'll make you an all pro as a db. He went undrafted, Lombardi knew he had talent, and signed him as a free agent. Drafted Dave Robinson in the '62 draft.

Wood, Robinson, Nitschke, Taylor, Hornung, Starr, Gregg, Davis, and Ringo are in the Pro Football HOF. And if the selection committee had any sense they should have inducted Kramer years ago. Decades ago, actually.

He also brought in Emlen Tunnell from the New York Giants.

More importantly, he showed the coaches something more important. How to win and be color blind. When Lombardi signed up with Green Bay there was one black player on that club. By the time he left 13 black players were on that club. He had no use for racial bigots-he told his assistant coaches once that if he caught any black players being treated differently regarding race that coach would hit the unemployment line the next day. Lombardi knew about discrimination.

As a long time assistant coach he applied at several colleges with no interview coming, then finally gets one from Wake Forest where he was told, according to long time sports writer Jerry Izenberg of the NY Daily News, was that "no one is going to coach this team whose last name ends in a vowel." Lombardi knew about discrimination.

He's in my top 3 regarding best coaches in league history.

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Old 01-26-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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Was only around 4 years, so technically he shouldn't count...Jim Harbaugh was an OUTSTANDING NFL coach, one of the best I've ever seen. He lacks the longevity but seriously, in a vacuum, one if the best to coach in this league, at least in the last quarter century, definitely!
Great reminder about Harbaugh. He was excellent in only four seasons. So was Gale Sayers (4 seasons, essentially), and he is in Canton.
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Old 01-26-2017, 08:17 PM
 
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Harbaugh is pretty much was the only decent hire by Jed York. Other coaches after Jim were very lousy.
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:10 PM
 
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An interesting piece of trivia is that of the 13 head coaches who have won multiple Super Bowls, only 3 of them did it with a different QB for each win, and they are:

Joe Gibbs: Joe Theismann in SB 17, Doug Williams in 22, and Mark Rypien in 26.
Bill Parcells: Phil Simms in 21 and Jeff Hostetler in 25.
George Siefert: Joe Montana in 24 and Steve Young in 29.

I count Gibbs and Parcells among the GOATs but not Siefert. For SB 24 he inherited a Bill Walsh team and to his credit, he didn't eff with it. That leaves 10 of the 13 head coaches who won all of their SBs with the same starting QB, and they are:

Vince Lombardi (2 SB wins): Bart Starr for all of them
Don Shula (2 SBs): Bob Griese (for all... and that continues down the list)
Chuck Noll (4 SBs): Terry Bradshaw
Tom Landry (2): Roger Staubach
Tom Flores (2): Jim Plunkett
Bill Walsh (3): Joe Montana
Jimmy Johnson (2): Troy Aikman
Mike Shanahan (2): John Elway
Bill Belichick (4): Tom Brady
Tom Coughlin (2): Eli Manning

One more interesting tidbit. Don Shula lost 4 SBs and each loss was with a different QB: Earl Morrall (SB 3), Bob Griese (SB 6), David Woodley (SB 17), and Dan Marino (SB 19). Only two other coaches had multiple losses and all with a different QB, and they are:

John Fox lost 2 SBs: SB 38, Jake Delhomme, Panthers; and SB 48, Peyton Manning, Broncos
Mike Holmgren lost 2 SBs: SB 32, Brett Favre, Packers; and SB 40, Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks

Five other head coaches lost multiple SBs but some of their QBs were repeats: Tom Landry (3 SB losses), Bud Grant (4), Marv Levy (4), Dan Reeves (4), and Bill Belichick (2).
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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Lol Dennis Green was not a great coach! Lol...
There's a couple of ways to look at it.. Now, we're just going to focus on his time with the Vikings.. The only thing that made him great in Arizona was the whole "They are who we THOUGHT they were".. And if we're counting things like that, Jim Mora is the greatest of all time.

Dennis Green is similar to Marvin Lewis.. Normally very successful in the regular season, but not so much in the playoffs. Many of those Vikings teams that Green coached into the playoffs were not that good. Certainly with the exception of the 1998 team which may be one of the best teams to not make it to the Super Bowl.

But, look at the QBs he had and I think all these he went to the playoffs with.. Rich Gannon, Jim McMahon, Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George and Duante Culpepper.

I put Marvin Lewis as a very good coach as well.. At least, regular season. He leaves alot to be desired in the playoffs, but again.. Look at Green and Lewis, two very similar coaches in my book.. The fans are ticked that there's no playoff success, but remember what these teams were like before they got there.. There wasn't even a chance for playoff success.

Madden.. He had a 9 year HC career.. Don't know how we can say that isn't long enough to count. And the reason he only has 1 ring is because of the Steelers..

Jimmy Johnson certainly has to be in the list. Not as successful at Miami as he was at Dallas, but he didn't have the talent at Miami that he did in Dallas.

We've got to talk about Lombardi, too.. The years with the Packers, but most people forget about his one year with the Redskins.. He took a team that hadn't had a winning season for 14 years and took them to 7-5-2.. And he built the foundation for the Super Bowl run in '72 and an expectation of winning that lead to the 4 Super Bowls in the 80's/90s. His one year with the Redskins turned the entire franchise around for years to come. And, another thing that i'd throw in there is his attitude towards race at the time.. Remember, the Redskins were the last team to integrate, and Lombardi was notoriously color blind. If we bring in things outside of just wins/losses.. It's got to be really hard to argue against Lombard.


Siefert, someone mentioned.. He's a no because his success came with the Walsh-built teams. He maintained it, but he didn't build that. Look at what he did in Carolina. Never a losing record with SF.. Never a winning record with Carolina. The 1-15 season, not entirely his fault.. Playing the season with Chris Weinke, but..


Landry has to be in consideration.. Just look at the length of his career. And the Cowboys were pretty good during most of those years. You coach for 29 seasons, you're going to have some bad years.
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Old 01-29-2017, 11:25 PM
 
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There's a couple of ways to look at it.. Now, we're just going to focus on his time with the Vikings.. The only thing that made him great in Arizona was the whole "They are who we THOUGHT they were".. And if we're counting things like that, Jim Mora is the greatest of all time.

Dennis Green is similar to Marvin Lewis.. Normally very successful in the regular season, but not so much in the playoffs. Many of those Vikings teams that Green coached into the playoffs were not that good. Certainly with the exception of the 1998 team which may be one of the best teams to not make it to the Super Bowl.

But, look at the QBs he had and I think all these he went to the playoffs with.. Rich Gannon, Jim McMahon, Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George and Duante Culpepper.

I put Marvin Lewis as a very good coach as well.. At least, regular season. He leaves alot to be desired in the playoffs, but again.. Look at Green and Lewis, two very similar coaches in my book.. The fans are ticked that there's no playoff success, but remember what these teams were like before they got there.. There wasn't even a chance for playoff success.

Madden.. He had a 9 year HC career.. Don't know how we can say that isn't long enough to count. And the reason he only has 1 ring is because of the Steelers..

Jimmy Johnson certainly has to be in the list. Not as successful at Miami as he was at Dallas, but he didn't have the talent at Miami that he did in Dallas.

We've got to talk about Lombardi, too.. The years with the Packers, but most people forget about his one year with the Redskins.. He took a team that hadn't had a winning season for 14 years and took them to 7-5-2.. And he built the foundation for the Super Bowl run in '72 and an expectation of winning that lead to the 4 Super Bowls in the 80's/90s. His one year with the Redskins turned the entire franchise around for years to come. And, another thing that i'd throw in there is his attitude towards race at the time.. Remember, the Redskins were the last team to integrate, and Lombardi was notoriously color blind. If we bring in things outside of just wins/losses.. It's got to be really hard to argue against Lombard.


Siefert, someone mentioned.. He's a no because his success came with the Walsh-built teams. He maintained it, but he didn't build that. Look at what he did in Carolina. Never a losing record with SF.. Never a winning record with Carolina. The 1-15 season, not entirely his fault.. Playing the season with Chris Weinke, but..


Landry has to be in consideration.. Just look at the length of his career. And the Cowboys were pretty good during most of those years. You coach for 29 seasons, you're going to have some bad years.
I don't think Lewis is even a good coach. At least 14 seasons without a playoff win. He is one of the lousiest coaches in my opinion.
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Old 01-30-2017, 06:01 AM
 
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Jonothan..
Landry some bad years.. his first season they were 0-11-1. His last season, they were 3-13.. Those were his worst 2 seasons.. He didn't put up a winning record until his 7th season.. His last 3 seasons were losing seasons.. The odd thing is, his losing seasons came at the beginning (6, actually it was 5.. he had a 7-7 record his 6th season) and end of his career (3).. everything in between was winning and winning at a clip unmatched in not just NFL but in professional Sports.. The Cowboys rolled off 20 consecutive seasons with a winning record and 18 playoff appearances.... unmatched in Pro Sports!

He was likely going to push his record to 21 straight when in 1986, his QB Danny White got injured. The Cowboys were 6-2 at the midway point of the season.. Danny White went down and they went 1-7 in the 2nd half to finish 7-9 for the season. For the first time, Landry didn't have a backup ready to take over and not miss a beat, like a well oiled machine. He had gone from Meredith to Morton to Staubach to Danny White.. but after Danny White, he didn't have an answer... of course this happens to EVERY team but when it happened to Landry, the fans and media just assumed he was done...

Perhaps he was.. he had set the bar so high that when they failed to make the playoffs 3 years in a row he was run out of town. There is no question in my mind that Jerry Jones will be remembered not so much for his 3 SBs but for his firing of Tom Landry... of course, one has to wonder now, just how long Tom Landry would have put up with Jones had he not fired him... probably not very long.
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Old 01-30-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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Chuck Knox. The LA days were great. His days up in Seattle were pretty darned good. I'd put him in the mix maybe not the greatest of all time but in there somewhere.
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Old 01-30-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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Knox was good.. those Rams in the 70s were always in the mix but isn't it odd that once Knox was gone and Malavasi took over, the Rams were playing in the Super Bowl.... maybe it was just a coincidence but it doesn't not put Knox in a good light..
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Old 01-30-2017, 04:04 PM
 
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Knox was good.. those Rams in the 70s were always in the mix but isn't it odd that once Knox was gone and Malavasi took over, the Rams were playing in the Super Bowl.... maybe it was just a coincidence but it doesn't not put Knox in a good light..
Both Sporting News and AP named Chuck Knox Coach of the Year three times - with three different teams (Rams, Bills, Seahawks).

That's darned impressive.
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