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Old 02-07-2017, 04:37 PM
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The Atlanta Falcons fell short of pulling a minor upset over the Patriots and fall to 0-2 in the Super Bowl. When they had the ball on the 23 and ~3:50 to go I figured they'd run it a few times and kick a FG to make it a 31-20 game with probably around 3 minutes remaining. They were snapping the ball with 17 seconds on the clock, throwing the ball, taking sacks and getting flagged for holding when they should have been playing smart ball and taking the necessary steps to deliver their franchise its first SB win. Instead they allowed a stunning comeback. And let's be clear: the Pats did what they had to do. They got lucky the Falcons went into "bone head" mode on that series but they did what they had to do and...well, you all saw it too.

So instead of 1-1 the Falcons drop to 0-2 and remain among those teams who've not yet won a SB. So here's my question: Of the 13 teams that have not won a Super Bowl, which has the greatest chance of winning one in the next few years.

For reference, here are the teams and a short assessment:

Buffalo Bills: 0-4. I don't see the Bills as close. They're a perennial 8-8 team at best and haven't made the playoffs in years. Every couple of years they fire their coach (or he resigns) and have to start over. I don't see them adding on to the win column anytime soon with the way they do business. The good news is they won't be adding one to the loss column either!

Minnesota Vikings: 0-4. The Vikings are probably closer than the Bills, and have a solid defense. This past season was a weird one for them. On the heels of an 11-5 effort and injury riddled off season the Vikings defied their setbacks en route to a 5-0 start but finished 8-8. Their defense was still pretty good and getting some pieces back from injury will help, but I don't think too many consider this team a contender right now.

Atlanta Falcons: 0-2. They have a young defense that can grow into a pretty dominant unit, but it's hard to see this team rebounding from a loss like this. They've lost their OC but have a qualified replacement on hand, provided they can keep him away from the sauce! I don't see the Falcons returning to the Super Bowl in 2017 but another year for that defense to develop, and considering the pieces they have on offense, they may look like a contender in 2018.

Carolina Panthers: 0-2. Very similar to the Falcons, just a year ahead. They have all the pieces on both sides of the ball, just seemed to be demoralized after that Super Bowl loss to the Broncos. This was a disappointing season for the Panthers but they have a lot of talent and may well be right back in the mix this coming season.

Cincinnati Bengals: 0-2. The Bengals had a pair of Super Bowl appearances, both losses to the 49ers, in the 1980s. Before they can talk about adding a third Super Bowl appearance they need to get a playoff win! Under Marvin Lewis the Bengals are 0-7 in the playoffs, including 5 straight seasons of reaching the playoffs and going one-n-done. In that division, ruled with a rod of iron by the Steelers and to a lesser extent the Ravens, I don't expect the Bengals to be representing the AFC in the Super Bowl anytime soon.

Philadelphia Eagles: 0-2. They have a new HC coming off his first season with the team and a young QB. They weren't awful this year either and while improvement year to year in the NFL isn't linear, it's not unreasonable to expect the Eagles to be better next year. Still they are playing ball in a pretty tough division and in 2017 they play the AFC West, which was pretty stout this past season. This team may be one to watch, just not in 2017.

Arizona Cardinals: 0-1. This team has a really tight window with Carson Palmer not as young as he was last year. After a 13-3 run the Cardinals were a disappointment in 2016 but make no mistake, this is a solid roster capable of making a playoff run in 2017. They also have a pretty good coach, but the clock is ticking. It may be now or never for the Cards. (Well, that may be a bit dramatic. Maybe "Now or not for several more years" would be a better way of putting it.

Tennessee Titans: 0-1. Here's a team to keep an eye on. They may not be the next big contender out the gate, but they may be one 2-3 seasons out. It wouldn't surprise me to see them have a good regular season in 2017 and get everyone's hopes up only to fall flat on their faces in the playoffs, learn some hard lessons and return better for it in the subsequent years.

Los Angeles Chargers: 0-1. The Chargers are a feisty team, and one of the better last places teams in the league. But that doesn't make them contenders. They had a brief run a few years ago where they were among the league's better "also rans" but never could get past the AFCCG. I don't see them returning to the playoffs anytime soon, much less reaching the Super Bowl.

Cleveland Browns: 0-0. Not even close. Let's just move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

Houston Texans: 0-0. The Texans have been around since just 2002 so not reaching the Super Bowl yet isn't really that big a knock on them. They play in a division where 9-7 was good enough to win it in 2 straight seasons, so the Texans have to like their chances of at least getting back to the playoffs. But even a great defense wasn't good enough to overcome such an inept offense this past season. The Texans are going to need to get a lot better on offense if they think they're reaching the Super Bowl.

Jacksonville Jaguars: 0-0. Like the Browns, I just don't have a lot to say about this team. They fired their HC, their QB is always hyped up before the season but never delivers, and an otherwise talented roster never seems to be able to put it together. They are a fairly impressive upstart in their early days, but now they just suck.

Detroit Lions: 0-0. The Lions round off the list of those teams that not only haven't won a Super Bowl, but haven't reached it yet. This is a team that hasn't won a post season game since the 1950s and even with a bevy of talented players cycling through the past few years doesn't seem to be able to consistently put winning seasons together. If you're looking for a candidate to win its first SB in the next few years, you may want to turn back at this point.

So are any of these teams contenders in 2017? Are any of them talented rosters that can be contenders in the next few seasons? What says the class?
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Old 02-07-2017, 04:49 PM
 
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Detroit Lions: 0-0. The Lions round off the list of those teams that not only haven't won a Super Bowl, but haven't reached it yet. This is a team that hasn't won a post season game since the 1950s and even with a bevy of talented players cycling through the past few years doesn't seem to be able to consistently put winning seasons together. If you're looking for a candidate to win its first SB in the next few years, you may want to turn back at this point.
The Lions winning the Super Bowl is like travelling faster than the speed of light - it seems to violate the immutable laws of the universe.

If the NFL announced tomorrow that Portland was awarded an expansion team to begin play in 2019, I'd probably put that team ahead of the Lions in my 'the next team to win their first Super Bowl' rankings.
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Old 02-07-2017, 04:51 PM
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The Lions winning the Super Bowl is like travelling faster than the speed of light - it seems to violate the immutable laws of the universe.

If the NFL announced tomorrow that Portland was awarded an expansion team to begin play in 2019, I'd probably put that team ahead of the Lions in my 'the next team to win their first Super Bowl' rankings.
I was thinking the same thing about the Browns.
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Old 02-07-2017, 05:56 PM
 
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I hear about the Lions all the time as my niece and her hubby are major fans. They bug me when Packers lose and I find it amusing, as Lions have a nine game playoff losing streak going, worse than the Browns. I don't think they will be the next team.

Realistically I think the Falcons, Cardinals, and Vikings are the likely choices. There are other teams that might, like the Panthers, Eagles or Titans.

I wonder about the Vikings and Bridgewater situation, will he be able to come back this year?
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:01 PM
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I hear about the Lions all the time as my niece and her hubby are major fans. They bug me when Packers lose and I find it amusing, as Lions have a nine game playoff losing streak going, worse than the Browns. I don't think they will be the next team.

Realistically I think the Falcons, Cardinals, and Vikings are the likely choices. There are other teams that might, like the Panthers, Eagles or Titans.

I wonder about the Vikings and Bridgewater situation, will he be able to come back this year?
I just realized I didn't make my own picks! If I had to pick from the list above, I'd say the Cardinals and Panthers are the most likely choices. Of course the reality is there are plenty of teams in both conferences that already have SB wins that will be considered contenders above most on this list. But out of these teams, these two are my choices.
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Old 02-07-2017, 06:51 PM
 
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After watching the Super Bowl, I've given up hope the NFL can produce a champion from the above list. It's like a Hollywood film where half way through you know how it's going to end. Next year will likely be Dallas vs Pittsburgh for a battle to see which franchise can get their 132nd Super Bowl trophy. Vomit. Maybe every 10 years or so we'll get a surprise like the Saints beating the Colts, but that's not worth the wait.
I'm cutting my NFL Game Pass subscription this year.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:00 PM
 
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The Vikings best team was the 1969 season with Joe Kapp.


Close to 50 years ago and they haven't gotten close even after getting on their knees and begging Brett Favre to come out of retirement.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:13 PM
 
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The Atlanta Falcons fell short of pulling a minor upset over the Patriots and fall to 0-2 in the Super Bowl. When they had the ball on the 23 and ~3:50 to go I figured they'd run it a few times and kick a FG to make it a 31-20 game with probably around 3 minutes remaining. They were snapping the ball with 17 seconds on the clock, throwing the ball, taking sacks and getting flagged for holding when they should have been playing smart ball and taking the necessary steps to deliver their franchise its first SB win. Instead they allowed a stunning comeback. And let's be clear: the Pats did what they had to do. They got lucky the Falcons went into "bone head" mode on that series but they did what they had to do and...well, you all saw it too.

So instead of 1-1 the Falcons drop to 0-2 and remain among those teams who've not yet won a SB. So here's my question: Of the 13 teams that have not won a Super Bowl, which has the greatest chance of winning one in the next few years.
i agree with your assessment of the game. the falcons should have gone into run mode since they had the patriots on the ropes on the strength of their run game.

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Buffalo Bills: 0-4. I don't see the Bills as close. They're a perennial 8-8 team at best and haven't made the playoffs in years. Every couple of years they fire their coach (or he resigns) and have to start over. I don't see them adding on to the win column anytime soon with the way they do business. The good news is they won't be adding one to the loss column either!
the bills? seriously? if atlanta had won sunday, then the bills would be the second team to lose 5 super bowls.

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Minnesota Vikings: 0-4. The Vikings are probably closer than the Bills, and have a solid defense. This past season was a weird one for them. On the heels of an 11-5 effort and injury riddled off season the Vikings defied their setbacks en route to a 5-0 start but finished 8-8. Their defense was still pretty good and getting some pieces back from injury will help, but I don't think too many consider this team a contender right now.
the vikings might make a run to the super bowl soon, but not likely.

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Atlanta Falcons: 0-2. They have a young defense that can grow into a pretty dominant unit, but it's hard to see this team rebounding from a loss like this. They've lost their OC but have a qualified replacement on hand, provided they can keep him away from the sauce! I don't see the Falcons returning to the Super Bowl in 2017 but another year for that defense to develop, and considering the pieces they have on offense, they may look like a contender in 2018.
if the falcons improve their defense, they may be back in the next couple of seasons, and they will be dangerous.

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Carolina Panthers: 0-2. Very similar to the Falcons, just a year ahead. They have all the pieces on both sides of the ball, just seemed to be demoralized after that Super Bowl loss to the Broncos. This was a disappointing season for the Panthers but they have a lot of talent and may well be right back in the mix this coming season.
the panthers might also make a run to the super bowl in the next few years, if they can put the pieces together, but i think the falcons will be back before the panthers will be.

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Cincinnati Bengals: 0-2. The Bengals had a pair of Super Bowl appearances, both losses to the 49ers, in the 1980s. Before they can talk about adding a third Super Bowl appearance they need to get a playoff win! Under Marvin Lewis the Bengals are 0-7 in the playoffs, including 5 straight seasons of reaching the playoffs and going one-n-done. In that division, ruled with a rod of iron by the Steelers and to a lesser extent the Ravens, I don't expect the Bengals to be representing the AFC in the Super Bowl anytime soon.
bengals winning the super bowl?

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Philadelphia Eagles: 0-2. They have a new HC coming off his first season with the team and a young QB. They weren't awful this year either and while improvement year to year in the NFL isn't linear, it's not unreasonable to expect the Eagles to be better next year. Still they are playing ball in a pretty tough division and in 2017 they play the AFC West, which was pretty stout this past season. This team may be one to watch, just not in 2017.
the eagles have a lot going for them, but they also have a lot of work to do.

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Arizona Cardinals: 0-1. This team has a really tight window with Carson Palmer not as young as he was last year. After a 13-3 run the Cardinals were a disappointment in 2016 but make no mistake, this is a solid roster capable of making a playoff run in 2017. They also have a pretty good coach, but the clock is ticking. It may be now or never for the Cards. (Well, that may be a bit dramatic. Maybe "Now or not for several more years" would be a better way of putting it.
the cardinals are going to need a more mobile quarterback in the vein of a dak prescott or derek carr.

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Tennessee Titans: 0-1. Here's a team to keep an eye on. They may not be the next big contender out the gate, but they may be one 2-3 seasons out. It wouldn't surprise me to see them have a good regular season in 2017 and get everyone's hopes up only to fall flat on their faces in the playoffs, learn some hard lessons and return better for it in the subsequent years.
they are getting better, but still have a ways to go to get back to the super bowl

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Los Angeles Chargers: 0-1. The Chargers are a feisty team, and one of the better last places teams in the league. But that doesn't make them contenders. They had a brief run a few years ago where they were among the league's better "also rans" but never could get past the AFCCG. I don't see them returning to the playoffs anytime soon, much less reaching the Super Bowl.
they might, the AFC west being like the NFC east, but they need things to get there.

Cleveland Browns: 0-0. Not even close. Let's just move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

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Houston Texans: 0-0. The Texans have been around since just 2002 so not reaching the Super Bowl yet isn't really that big a knock on them. They play in a division where 9-7 was good enough to win it in 2 straight seasons, so the Texans have to like their chances of at least getting back to the playoffs. But even a great defense wasn't good enough to overcome such an inept offense this past season. The Texans are going to need to get a lot better on offense if they think they're reaching the Super Bowl.
the texans need a good quarterback, much like the cardinals do. brock is not going to cut it for them.

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Jacksonville Jaguars: 0-0. Like the Browns, I just don't have a lot to say about this team. They fired their HC, their QB is always hyped up before the season but never delivers, and an otherwise talented roster never seems to be able to put it together. They are a fairly impressive upstart in their early days, but now they just suck.
the jags also need a lot before they can contend for a super bowl.

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Detroit Lions: 0-0. The Lions round off the list of those teams that not only haven't won a Super Bowl, but haven't reached it yet. This is a team that hasn't won a post season game since the 1950s and even with a bevy of talented players cycling through the past few years doesn't seem to be able to consistently put winning seasons together. If you're looking for a candidate to win its first SB in the next few years, you may want to turn back at this point.
the lions have enough of a team to contend for a super bowl, they just need someone to go in and put everything together. they need a coach like belichek. they may need a couple other pieces to round out ther team as well.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:39 PM
 
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Detroit Lions: 0-0. The Lions round off the list of those teams that not only haven't won a Super Bowl, but haven't reached it yet. This is a team that hasn't won a post season game since the 1950s and even with a bevy of talented players cycling through the past few years doesn't seem to be able to consistently put winning seasons together. If you're looking for a candidate to win its first SB in the next few years, you may want to turn back at this point.
To be factually accurate.. The Lions last won a playoff game in 1991. Beat the Cowboys before getting destroyed by the Redskins who won the Super Bowl.

I honestly think Detroit is light years ahead of where they were ~10 years ago. Are they ready to make a deep playoff run? No, but the pieces are there, and the pieces are young enough that they can make the playoffs, lose and come back and win the next year.

The Cardinals.. You mentioned the time being short.. I'm of the opinion that time has passed. Fitzgerald is in his last year or two. Palmer is past him leading a team to the Super Bowl.. Not that the rest of the team can't take HIM there. They should have drafted a QB last year.

Vikings.. I don't think Bridgewater comes back as the same player. So, that's going to put them behind.

Panthers and Falcons are young enough that they can come back.. Falcons problem is the loss of Shanahan. You can find a new OC easier than upgrading players, and I don't think their players need a whole lot of upgrades.

Tennessee and Jacksonville are each at least 3 years away.. But.. They're putting the pieces there. So, it won't be soon, but if they keep it up, they could get there.
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Minnesota Vikings: 0-4. The Vikings are probably closer than the Bills, and have a solid defense. This past season was a weird one for them. On the heels of an 11-5 effort and injury riddled off season the Vikings defied their setbacks en route to a 5-0 start but finished 8-8. Their defense was still pretty good and getting some pieces back from injury will help, but I don't think too many consider this team a contender right now.

Atlanta Falcons: 0-2. They have a young defense that can grow into a pretty dominant unit, but it's hard to see this team rebounding from a loss like this. They've lost their OC but have a qualified replacement on hand, provided they can keep him away from the sauce! I don't see the Falcons returning to the Super Bowl in 2017 but another year for that defense to develop, and considering the pieces they have on offense, they may look like a contender in 2018.

Philadelphia Eagles: 0-2. They have a new HC coming off his first season with the team and a young QB. They weren't awful this year either and while improvement year to year in the NFL isn't linear, it's not unreasonable to expect the Eagles to be better next year. Still they are playing ball in a pretty tough division and in 2017 they play the AFC West, which was pretty stout this past season. This team may be one to watch, just not in 2017.

Arizona Cardinals: 0-1. This team has a really tight window with Carson Palmer not as young as he was last year. After a 13-3 run the Cardinals were a disappointment in 2016 but make no mistake, this is a solid roster capable of making a playoff run in 2017. They also have a pretty good coach, but the clock is ticking. It may be now or never for the Cards. (Well, that may be a bit dramatic. Maybe "Now or not for several more years" would be a better way of putting it.

So are any of these teams contenders in 2017? Are any of them talented rosters that can be contenders in the next few seasons? What says the class?
Yes sir, Mr Football. The above four teams speak to me the most for as early as next year.

The Arizona Cardinals are my homies, and being a homer, I will unashamedly continue to pick them next season. Do they seriously have a shot? Yes!

I jumped on the Vikings bandwagon for a while, then just as quickly I jumped right off. They folded like a lawn chair and I bailed. Do they have a shot? Sure. ALL things are possible!

The Eagles could be even better next year, and very much a contender with their scary Wookie, Wentz!

The Dirty Bird Falcons may come back firing on all cylinders next season, and they may take it all!


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