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Old 04-30-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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Oh.. handful of other notes.. Chad Kelly.. Mr Irrelevant. I'll be surprised if he even makes the practice squad.
Given his history there is the risk he has a melt down mentally away from the football field. But otherwise, if he can finally get his head screwed on straight I don't see why he can't at least compete with Lynch for the #2 spot.
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Old 04-30-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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My concern with Watson is his accuracy.
I really like Watson. But if I have a concern it may be this: Ball Velocity

I never even new about or considered ball velocity until I stumbled upon it earlier this year.

Does Ball Velocity Tell Us Anything About QB Success? - RotoViz

The link above shows the measured ball velocity numbers for most of the QBs to be drafted over the last 8 years. While having an average or high ball velocity does not correlate with guaranteed success, with all due respect to Tyord Taylor (50mph) who I love, there really isn't a single example of a successful QB with a ball velocity at 52mph or below. Watson was measured at 49mph. Did he just have an off day? Does he throw with more velocity in games than he does in shorts? Will this doom him in the NFL? I don't know, but the link and the list of players with velocity numbers around Watson's is pretty damning.
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Old 04-30-2017, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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..Bridgewater was a bad example. They actually didn't start him until.. Was it week 7 or so in his rookie year? But the thing about your post.. I thought the 5th year was guaranteed due to injury? At least the money. They're paying that $13M regardless of whether he's on the roster or not. The only thing they gain by releasing him is a roster spot, which.. With IR doesn't really matter.

At least, that's my understanding of how it works. That's why the Redskins made RG3 the 3rd string QB his 4th year there.
you may be right as I'll admit I can't keep track of all the options, cap space, dead money, etc. but everything I've seen shows only 2017 as guaranteed, with the deadline for the option (for 2018) coming within a couple days so we'll probably know more then. I believe if they put him on the PUP list they "buy" another year so could have him under contract for 2018 for the same terms as this year...(?)

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seems that the Bradford trade wasn't so one-sided after all
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Old 04-30-2017, 03:12 PM
 
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I really like Watson. But if I have a concern it may be this: Ball Velocity

I never even new about or considered ball velocity until I stumbled upon it earlier this year.

Does Ball Velocity Tell Us Anything About QB Success? - RotoViz

The link above shows the measured ball velocity numbers for most of the QBs to be drafted over the last 8 years. While having an average or high ball velocity does not correlate with guaranteed success, with all due respect to Tyord Taylor (50mph) who I love, there really isn't a single example of a successful QB with a ball velocity at 52mph or below. Watson was measured at 49mph. Did he just have an off day? Does he throw with more velocity in games than he does in shorts? Will this doom him in the NFL? I don't know, but the link and the list of players with velocity numbers around Watson's is pretty damning.
Not damning at all, I have seen this data before and the key statement from this "study" that is buried at the bottom of your link says it all..

"The number of QBs that were invited and chose not to throw (62) means that 39.7 percent were assigned no value at all, and does weaken the conclusions that can be made about the sample."

A "study" purporting to support a hypothesis that doesn't include close to HALF of the QB's at the combine over the past 9 years???

Greg Gabriel: Is a quarterback's velocity an indicator of how good he will be in the NFL? | Green Bay Packers and NFL | host.madison.com
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Old 04-30-2017, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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I think it still comes down to where the player ends up, coaches, what is stressed, do they concentrate solely on the QBs? What good is great velocity if they aren't getting all around good coaching.

Brady and Rodgers both are very obsessive personalities and they work at everything (Brees probably, too)! Rodgers never misses any time when it comes to practice, working with the back up QBs and scout team. He might be tough for the young guys to deal with sometimes but he is always there. Doesn't think because he is an older player he can skip, never does. Peyton was the same way, obsessive about details, practice, working hard at his craft.
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Old 04-30-2017, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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because NFL scouts have never been wrong
Colts releasing director of college scouting T.J. McCreight and others from scouting department, per league sources.‬

The Bills have dismissed their entire scouting staff.‬
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Old 04-30-2017, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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I don't get moves like this, right around the draft and the Bills is really a strange situation.
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:21 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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I really like Watson. But if I have a concern it may be this: Ball Velocity

I never even new about or considered ball velocity until I stumbled upon it earlier this year.

Does Ball Velocity Tell Us Anything About QB Success? - RotoViz

The link above shows the measured ball velocity numbers for most of the QBs to be drafted over the last 8 years. While having an average or high ball velocity does not correlate with guaranteed success, with all due respect to Tyord Taylor (50mph) who I love, there really isn't a single example of a successful QB with a ball velocity at 52mph or below. Watson was measured at 49mph. Did he just have an off day? Does he throw with more velocity in games than he does in shorts? Will this doom him in the NFL? I don't know, but the link and the list of players with velocity numbers around Watson's is pretty damning.



Yeah, I heard this from one of the talk radio pundits a few weeks ago. Good Lord, analytics are running wild. Next thing you know they'll be measuring the length of their big toes vis--vis success rates.
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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The Bears trading up 1 spot to draft somebody that was likely going to be there at #3 anyways is one of the stupidest draft day decisions I have EVER seen!
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Old 05-02-2017, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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The Bears trading up 1 spot to draft somebody that was likely going to be there at #3 anyways is one of the stupidest draft day decisions I have EVER seen!

hard to argue that but, in 2003 the Vikings bungled their allotted 10 minute window with the #7 pick and fell two places before selecting 5-time Pro Bowler Kevin Williams with the 9th pick. Carolina & Jacksonville leap-frogged the Vikings to select Jordan Gross and Byron Leftwich respectively.


Remembering The Time The Vikings Missed Their First-Round Draft Pick
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