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Old 07-10-2017, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Shocking to me that that anyone would put Eli in this discussion as an honorable mention. I'm a big fan of rings being the tie breaker but Eli isn't anywhere close to the discussion to warrant a tie breaker IMO.


As a Redskins fan I have mad respect for Roger Staubach, that guy was incredible especially at crunch time. He never seems to get the love he deserves IMO yet people put players like Eli ahead of him and that's weird to me.


My list, in order:


Tom Brady
Joe Montana
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Peyton Manning
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Old 07-10-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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As a Redskins fan I have mad respect for Roger Staubach, that guy was incredible especially at crunch time. He never seems to get the love he deserves IMO yet people put players like Eli ahead of him and that's weird to me.


My list, in order:


Tom Brady
Joe Montana
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Peyton Manning


It's a short list of NFL quarterbacks who have won two super bowls and also a Heisman Trophy. How about a list of two? That's Staubach and Jim Plunkett. When I think of the "what if's" I think of Staubach. What if:

He had played for someone other than Navy. He didn't join the Cowboys until 1969, finally was named starter in 1971. He was 28 years old when he joined up with the Cowboys.

Jackie Smith would have caught that ball in the end zone against the Steelers in Super Bowl XIII.

He hadn't retired a year, maybe two years early because of the concussions he had in the last few seasons of his career. Various articles on the net have him with as many as 20 concussions.

Solid top 5 list Dave!

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Old 07-10-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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Peyton,Brady,Montana,Rodger Staubach,Dan Marino............if I can only choose five?
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Old 07-10-2017, 12:24 PM
 
Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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A Rog ...
his TD to INT ratio will be the best of all time and he'll be at the top of the list for overall % probably.

He'll reach 300 TDs this year, with well under 100 INTs, something the rest of the great QBs haven't done.
This is a very notable accomplishment and one reason I hold Eli Manning in such low regard. Unfortunately this is not a stat that is looked at as real important by the "experts" but in terms of giving your team a chance to win it is huge!

The P. Manning parallel is pretty telling also. During Manning's Colts days he was the team. I think the GB FO has not done a good job putting enough of the right talent around AR but that is also a reflection of not getting many (any?) high round picks the last decade. Belichick does it for NE but that is an either an anomaly or a reflection of a superior program and coaching. (The longer they do it you'd have to rule out the anomaly thingy).
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:11 PM
 
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Shocking to me that that anyone would put Eli in this discussion as an honorable mention. I'm a big fan of rings being the tie breaker but Eli isn't anywhere close to the discussion to warrant a tie breaker IMO.


As a Redskins fan I have mad respect for Roger Staubach, that guy was incredible especially at crunch time. He never seems to get the love he deserves IMO yet people put players like Eli ahead of him and that's weird to me.


My list, in order:


Tom Brady
Joe Montana
John Elway
Johnny Unitas
Peyton Manning
While I understand your point someone put Michael Vick in so yeah I'd take Eli in a heart beat over Vick.
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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While I understand your point someone put Michael Vick in so yeah I'd take Eli in a heart beat over Vick.




Well now that is beyond ridiculous. But just because someone for whatever reason felt the need to put Michael Vick on the list does not mean Eli belongs in the company of Joe Montana and Tom Brady.
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Old 07-10-2017, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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OK I had to go back and look at some of the posts after reading Michael Vick was on one list. The All Time Greatest list is not about a guy who had 3 years where DCs had to game plan for his running ability. That is simply crazy.


I am a huge Russell Wilson fan, I defend him when arguing with fans who don't even consider him a top QB. But again to put him in the company of Tom Brady while bypassing players like Peyton Manning? Those posters putting these 2 players on any all time list should have their Sunday Ticket revoked as they clearly do not understand pro football.
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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I liked Russell when he was playing for the Badgers but something about him now gets on my nerves pretty quick.

However, he should be in a conversation for a top QB but he is not up there with Brady, Rodgers, or Peyton.
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:53 PM
 
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OK I had to go back and look at some of the posts after reading Michael Vick was on one list. The All Time Greatest list is not about a guy who had 3 years where DCs had to game plan for his running ability. That is simply crazy.


I am a huge Russell Wilson fan, I defend him when arguing with fans who don't even consider him a top QB. But again to put him in the company of Tom Brady while bypassing players like Peyton Manning? Those posters putting these 2 players on any all time list should have their Sunday Ticket revoked as they clearly do not understand pro football.
People want to be contrarians for attention sakes- I don't believe for a second they actually believe the likes of Russell Wilson, Vick, etc... are in the top 5 of all-time. That's opposed to the conglomerate who REALLY do believe someone such as Terry Bradshaw is top 5, which is still some what far removed from being comprehensible.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Sonny Crockett is the greatest fictional QB that never made it to the big time. This much I know.
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