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View Poll Results: Should it?
Yes they should 6 10.17%
No they shouldn't 53 89.83%
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Old 05-31-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by The Dissenter View Post
After doing a little math, the NFL is already the 2nd most generous major sports league of the 4 major sports in how many playoff teams there are relative to number of franchises.

NHL 27% of total teams get playoff berths
MLB 33%
NFL 38%
NBA 53%

That 53% is not working for the NBA IMO.
I do not know where you are getting your calculations.

Major League Baseball: Ten of 30 teams, 33 percent, will make postseason play.

National Baskeball Association: Sixteen of 30 teams, 53 percent, will make postseason play.

National Football League: Twelve of 32 teams, 38 percent, will make postseason pay.

National Hockey League: Sixteen of 31 teams, 52 percent, will make postseason play starting in the 2017-2018 season.
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Old 05-31-2017, 01:19 PM
 
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While occasionally you have a very good 11-5 or 10-6 team that misses the playoffs, it's rare.

I'd almost be more in favor of dropping a crappy division winner.. Like when the Panthers made it in at 7-8-1 or the Rams at 7-9 a few years back.. ALMOST. I can argue against that idea as well, because division games are always tougher and that's half the schedule.

I don't like Hockey and Basketball playoffs where most everyone gets in.
Agreed that we don't need more teams in the playoffs. However there is no point to divisions if a division winner doesn't get in. Division winners should make it, no matter how awful their record may be. However, what is long overdue, is re-seeding the teams based on records. A playoff berth at 8-8 shouldn't be a precursor to a higher seed and home game vs say, a 13-3 team that happens to play in the same division as an elite 14-2 team.
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Old 05-31-2017, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA and Washington, DC
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I do not know where you are getting your calculations.

Major League Baseball: Ten of 30 teams, 33 percent, will make postseason play.

National Baskeball Association: Sixteen of 30 teams, 53 percent, will make postseason play.

National Football League: Twelve of 32 teams, 38 percent, will make postseason pay.

National Hockey League: Sixteen of 31 teams, 52 percent, will make postseason play starting in the 2017-2018 season.
Oops, wrong calculation on the NHL.
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Old 05-31-2017, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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Originally Posted by The Dissenter View Post
After doing a little math, the NFL is already the 2nd most generous major sports league of the 4 major sports in how many playoff teams there are relative to number of franchises.

NHL 27% of total teams get playoff berths
MLB 33%
NFL 38%
NBA 53%

That 53% is not working for the NBA IMO.
Frankly, it's idiotic.

The NBA went to a 16-team postseason format in 1984.

Since then, the following seeds have made the Finals:

#1 seed: 38 (times making the Finals)
#2 seed: 19
#3 seed: 7
#4 seed: 2
#5 seed: 0
#6 seed: 1
#7 seed: 0
#8 seed: 1

Out of a combined 272 #5, #6, #7 and #8 seeds, precisely 2 have made the Finals. That's less than 1%.
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Old 06-01-2017, 08:30 PM
 
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A lot of false facts being thrown around here.

It would be extremely rare for a 7th seed to finish worse than 9-7. In fact I'd guess right around 50% of the time they would finish 10-6 or better.
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Old 06-02-2017, 06:28 AM
 
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A lot of false facts being thrown around here.

It would be extremely rare for a 7th seed to finish worse than 9-7. In fact I'd guess right around 50% of the time they would finish 10-6 or better.
Since the NFL expanded to 32 teams in 2002, here are the records of the #7 seeds:

11-5 - 1x [2008 Patriots]
10-6 - 8x
9-7 - 14x
8-8 - 7x

I wouldn't call seven times out of 30 'extremely rare'. Less than a third of the time the #7 seed is 10-6 or better. And as for that 'or better' qualifier? I'd say that once out of thirty times is indeed extremely rare. Probably even moreso than that 1-in-30 sample suggests, because the NFL went to a 16-game schedule in 1978, and only one other team (the 1985 Broncos) has missed the postseason at 11-5 (or better) in that time. And this despite the fact that it was slightly easier to do back then (because 5 playoff teams per 14-team conference is a smaller playoff field percentage-wise than today's 6-of-16 field).
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Old 06-02-2017, 07:47 AM
 
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A big emphatic NO. The NFL playoffs are already the best setup in the 4 major sports leagues in this country. Less than half the teams in the league make the playoffs, unlike the NBA where more than 50% of the league makes it.

Adding teams is simply a money grab by the NFL. This is not like the need for MLB to expand their playoffs. It was awful when only 4 teams would get in after playing 162 games.
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Old 06-03-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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Since the NFL expanded to 32 teams in 2002, here are the records of the #7 seeds:

11-5 - 1x [2008 Patriots]
10-6 - 8x
9-7 - 14x
8-8 - 7x

I wouldn't call seven times out of 30 'extremely rare'. Less than a third of the time the #7 seed is 10-6 or better. And as for that 'or better' qualifier? I'd say that once out of thirty times is indeed extremely rare. Probably even moreso than that 1-in-30 sample suggests, because the NFL went to a 16-game schedule in 1978, and only one other team (the 1985 Broncos) has missed the postseason at 11-5 (or better) in that time. And this despite the fact that it was slightly easier to do back then (because 5 playoff teams per 14-team conference is a smaller playoff field percentage-wise than today's 6-of-16 field).
Well I guess I stand corrected, Unsettomati. I double checked your numbers because they didn't look correct according to my memory. The interesting thing I realized when I double checked is that my bias for the AFC probably played a role. In those 15 seasons, only twice, 2012 and 2013, did the AFC not have at least 7 teams with a winning record. So it has largely been the NFC representing with 5 out of the 7 8-8 #7 seeds. In fact, one year, I think early 2000's the NFC sent both wild card teams #5 and #6 seeds to the playoffs with 8-8 records.

I would have guessed out of 30 #7 seeds probably twelve 10-6 teams and only 2 8-8 teams. I knew there would only be 1 or 2 11-5 teams with only the Pats coming to mind.
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Old 06-03-2017, 08:01 AM
 
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A big emphatic NO. The NFL playoffs are already the best setup in the 4 major sports leagues in this country. Less than half the teams in the league make the playoffs, unlike the NBA where more than 50% of the league makes it.

Adding teams is simply a money grab by the NFL. This is not like the need for MLB to expand their playoffs. It was awful when only 4 teams would get in after playing 162 games.
If that is your qualifier though, you still get less than half the teams making the playoffs in each conference.

7/16= 43%

I don't have as big an issue with it as others here do. I would definitely not want to go to 8, that's for sure. I do have some reservations now seeing that it was about triple the number of 8-8 teams that made it then I originally though.

My only other reservations is a #7 seed playing a strong #2 seed. Might not be pleasant football to watch.
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Old 06-03-2017, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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There has been talk about it but I say no keep it as it is; 4 wild card games, 4 divisional games, and 2 championship games.
Keep it as it is. More playoff games would only make them less important and more of a mess. The only way it would work is if there were another expansion, and THAT is not gonna happen.
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My only other reservations is a #7 seed playing a strong #2 seed. Might not be pleasant football to watch.
THAT is exactly what would happen. We'd start seeing 20pt spreads, in playoff games... for Gods sake that would be dumb.
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