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Old 09-08-2017, 12:59 AM
 
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Matt Stover was a fan favorite in Baltimore, but Tucker is far better.

As far as defenses go, you should watch the Ravens-Titans playoff game from 2000. Tennessee was a juggernaut. Ravens won that game 24-10. It was very very close. The game was ended by Ray Lewis stealing the ball out of Eddie George's hands and running into the endzone. This was with the Titans down a score and driving at midfield. I believe the Ravens also had a score off a blocked FG that game. As usual, the best game of the playoff run was not the super bowl itself. If you look at the stats, the Ravens only mustered up 49 rushing yards and 85 passing yards that game. The 24-10 score is extremely misleading. I didn't watch the 85 Bears, so I can't make a fair comparison, but the Ravens 2000 defense was so good they could make a great Titans team look silly with 0 offensive production, and they were good enough that if they went up 3-0, it was game over. They were turnover machines. They made you pay for any mistake you made. Interceptions, blocked field goals, you name it. Dilfer was smart enough to recognize he only had to drive down the field once, maybe twice, to win a game.

Dilfer went 5-16 for 117 yards that game, lol. 56 of them came on one pass. Dilfer did have some pretty good moments in those playoffs, but not in that game.


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Old 09-08-2017, 07:57 PM
 
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I know that Raven defense was great; but remember, your comparing points or yards allowed between two squads 15 years apart. Watched them and the 85 Bears. 85 Bears defense was insane. Never thought any team could be considered in that same realm. The Ravens of 200 proved me wrong, but my eyes still tell me Bears are #1, Ravens a close second. A better comparison would be the Tampa Bay Bucs just two years removed (2002). However a bigger gap for sure; I read on some site some folks trying to substantiate the Bucs of 2002 being better than the 2000 Ravens on defense. That I don't buy for a second. Tampa Bay in 2002 by season's end also had a great defense. But no where as good as the 85 Bears or 2000 Ravens.
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Old 09-10-2017, 09:41 AM
 
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One thing that might have helped the Ravens was that in 2000, they had six teams in their division. That meant they saw the same team twice in 10 games out of 16. One of those happened to be the Titans, though, who ended up with a better record. I believe the Bears had 5 teams in their division for the 85 season. Like you say, different decades, different circumstances. It's like saying Rocky Marciano is a better fighter than Ali. Impossible to say, since they will never face each other.
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Old 09-10-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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One thing that might have helped the Ravens was that in 2000, they had six teams in their division. That meant they saw the same team twice in 10 games out of 16. One of those happened to be the Titans, though, who ended up with a better record. I believe the Bears had 5 teams in their division for the 85 season. Like you say, different decades, different circumstances. It's like saying Rocky Marciano is a better fighter than Ali. Impossible to say, since they will never face each other.
This was also a disadvantage. In the 2000 Ravens NFL documentary, Dilfer claimed the Titans stole his playbook during the regular season. He lost it that day, and I don't know if there was ever an investigation on this. But he said all of a sudden the next time they faced Tennessee, the Titans knew all of their plays, knew where the receivers would go before the snap, etc. I believe he said that's when they really simplified their offense. If Sharpe is open, throw it to Sharpe. If Stokley is open, throw it to him. Otherwise, run the ball or throw it away.

It also means they played fewer other teams, so they had no experience playing Oakland, Denver, or New York. They had played Oakland in November of 1998; New York in September of 1997.

By comparison, in 2012 they faced New England and Denver in the regular season, and faced San Francisco on thanksgiving 2011; plus Indianapolis in December of 2011.
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Old 09-10-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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One of the amazing things to me about the 2000 Ravens is that they had a 5 week stretch without a touchdown, yet they still went 2-3. They also pitched 4 shutouts, and only gave up 23 points in 4 playoff games (only one TD on defense -- the other was a kickoff return).
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