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Old 09-15-2017, 06:13 PM
 
Location: The city of champions
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There is a reason why the NFL was out of LA for years.

It had nothing to do with fan support. It came down to stadium and stadium financing. LA was never willing to use taxpayer funds and the Coliseum and Angel Stadium were just not good venues for the NFL experience. The Inglewood Stadium is going to change all of that.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:53 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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It had nothing to do with fan support. It came down to stadium and stadium financing. LA was never willing to use taxpayer funds and the Coliseum and Angel Stadium were just not good venues for the NFL experience. The Inglewood Stadium is going to change all of that.
Correct. You can keep repeating it (as I have a few times), but it doesn't get through to people.
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Old 09-15-2017, 07:36 PM
 
Location: The city of champions
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Correct. You can keep repeating it (as I have a few times), but it doesn't get through to people.
Exactly. Using fan support as the reasoning is for the lazy people who don't like to do research.

A perfect example are the mighty New England Patriots. For most of their existence they had some of the worst fan support in the entire league. Absolutely awful attendance. They even almost relocated to St. Louis, but it wasn't because of the awful fan support. They wanted a new stadium. Robert Kraft came in and saved the day and used his own money to build Gillette. The rest is history. Look at them now. I'm glad you guys aren't NFL owners, because based on your criteria, they shouldn't have a team right?

https://www.amazon.com/New-England-B.../dp/1595712933

Look at this. A home game that saw 22,000 people!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_N...atriots_season

Yet everyone loves to gang up on LA fans for some reason.

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Old 09-15-2017, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Washington State desert
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The Rams will be fine and are in a far better situation. The support in St. Louis was extremely overrated. It's a much smaller stadium and the top decks were always empty. St. Louis barely supported the football Cardinals either. They were already having issues with attendance in 1998 in St. Louis but lucked out with the GSOT years. The Rams were also always dead last in just about every financial category. They made the right move coming to LA.


The NFL in LA is a long-term situation, and the Rams and Chargers need to earn the fans, not the other way around. Both teams have a chance but they need to regrow their roots and the bond needs time to develop. They are up against other teams in the region who have stuck with LA through thick and thin and those franchises deserve the priority of support. The Rams and Chargers still have the stench of St. Louis and San Diego all over them and it will take time to truly make them LA teams. The new Inglewood Stadium and planned re-brands should help big time.


The best example? Look at the Clippers. Also moved in from SD, didn't have much fan support or value to start and had to compete against the Lakers. Look at the Clippers now. Awesome support, sell out every game, are highly profitable and the 6th most valuable team in the league. If the lowly Clippers can do it any team can do it. Just needs time.
Totally agree with this. The Rams need to hire the best PR people they can find. And they don't need to look far being in L.A. Put together some great PR with a good product on the field, and they will be fine. The Chargers are definitely the underdog in this department. And if history is important, this may be a repeat of 1960 when the Chargers played in LA, then (sorry for this) "bolted".
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Old 09-15-2017, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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There is a reason why the NFL was out of LA for years.
And that reason was that the city and surrounding cities refused to build a stadium with luxury boxes for billionaire ownership. As soon as a speculator built his own stadium a second team moved in to play there on the weeks that the Rams are out of town.
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:14 PM
 
Location: The city of champions
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Totally agree with this. The Rams need to hire the best PR people they can find. And they don't need to look far being in L.A. Put together some great PR with a good product on the field, and they will be fine. The Chargers are definitely the underdog in this department. And if history is important, this may be a repeat of 1960 when the Chargers played in LA, then (sorry for this) "bolted".
The Chargers are going to have no choice but to stick it out. They not only signed a long-term lease, but they also owe around $600 million in relocation fees. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon regardless of what happens.
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Old 09-15-2017, 09:15 PM
 
Location: The city of champions
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And that reason was that the city and surrounding cities refused to build a stadium with luxury boxes for billionaire ownership. As soon as a speculator built his own stadium a second team moved in to play there on the weeks that the Rams are out of town.
Yup, if the stadiums were built for the Rams and Raiders back in the day, they would have never left.
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Washington State desert
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Yup, if the stadiums were built for the Rams and Raiders back in the day, they would have never left.
But that is yesterday, and we can't time travel backwards. So what is the future? The Rams probably have the best chance to become LA's team, but they need a concerted effort to grow the team from the ground up, not only with young players, but with Public Relations. They also need to be patient. You can develop a pro team with good draft choices and Goff could be the answer, but only time will tell.

The Chargers are, IMO, putting themselves into a secondary position in the market with their tepid entry into LA/Orange County. They, like the Rams, need to build. Rivers is not the future. They need to slowly build the roster, but it will take time.
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Old 09-16-2017, 01:03 AM
 
Location: The city of champions
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But that is yesterday, and we can't time travel backwards. So what is the future? The Rams probably have the best chance to become LA's team, but they need a concerted effort to grow the team from the ground up, not only with young players, but with Public Relations. They also need to be patient. You can develop a pro team with good draft choices and Goff could be the answer, but only time will tell.

The Chargers are, IMO, putting themselves into a secondary position in the market with their tepid entry into LA/Orange County. They, like the Rams, need to build. Rivers is not the future. They need to slowly build the roster, but it will take time.
Yeah I agree that it's the past. Just educating the naysayers on the reality of the situation.

I agree on your other points. LA needs rosters it can get behind. Players that represent the city. That will come.
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Old 09-16-2017, 07:15 AM
 
Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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The NFL is simply losing popularity. Television ratings and attendance are down.

There are a few possible explanations for why TV ratings are down including the apps to livestream. In week one only one game (Dallas vs NYG on SNF) had an increase of TV ratings. Ratings were down tremendously in some cases. Actual attendance at the games is down too.

Some reasons are : a more fractured population, a pussification of the American male (young boys are being steered away from the "violent" sport of football), electronics for entertainment. boycotts against the political nature of the NFL and the broadcasting companies including the disrespect towards America and the Kapernick not being picked up by any NFL teams, the total cost of going to games is pricing many out of attendance, and fans and ex-fans are simply tired of the NFL front office's strong arming. I'm sure most of you could think of other reasons for waning NFL popularity. Add all of the above to the fact California is so fickle concerning pro sports and the recent move by the Chargers and I think pro football in The Peoples Repuiblik of Kalifornia is probably in heap beeg trouble!

You'd think the LA metro area with its 18 million souls could support an NFL franchise wouldn't you????


PS ---- Let me add that the dream of parity in the NFL (the salary cap) has watered down the product. Also the rules against contact in practice, no pads has put a less than exemplary product on the field and people are not excited over sloppy play. Too many rules and overzealous officials are also a problem for many viewers. All this is probably unintended consequences of a politically correct NFL FO trying to make a violent sport more safe.

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