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View Poll Results: Has the kneeling controversy ruined football for you?
Yes - I am done, I no longer care 40 33.90%
Maybe -It makes me less likely to care but I will watch occasionally 27 22.88%
No - It makes no difference 51 43.22%
Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-19-2017, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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The owner will go in the direction that will still pull in the money, even if its not a popular decision they are making. They will let the cons (literally) in some cases, run the business,until they go to far. The owners cave on this. There will be more protests to see how far they can take things. Thats coming. They have found an audience and a way to get attention for their protests.

Have you heard the latest? They're kneeling to bring attention to gender equality. Really? If you pick just the guys kneeling and checked into their background I'm confident that you won't find more than one or two who have given even a passing glance concerning the concept of women's pay versus men's.


What you'll find more of is them having multiple kids with different women and situations involving child support, harassment, abuse, and the other things made so famous by these fine role models that have all of a sudden developed a social consciousness.

 
Old 10-19-2017, 06:29 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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How to handle this. Dont televise the national anthem, no one stands up at home. Go to commercial, when returning start the game. At home you wont miss a thing. I've seen several games that didnt show it. Dont tailor to these aholes.
 
Old 10-19-2017, 07:33 PM
 
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Thank you for making my point that it's about the content of the message, not the fact that a political message is being sent.

Bonus points for insinuating that the only people who get shot by police are those that bring it upon themselves, and that it's about white people who obey they law and 'they' (non-white people, apparently) who don't. Apparently, either police are perfect and never commit any unlawful killings (in which case you're one of the most naive people on the planet) or because some/most police killings are justified, then people of the same race as those who are justifiably killed are guilty because of their shared race and have no right to complain about the unjustified killings.

At any, disagreement will not be tolerated! Those who dissent are SOBs who must be fired, boycotted, condemned!

Brilliant...
You either want law and order or you don't. Period. Are the police perfect? No but it is their job to arrest criminals with the outcome being, they will get to go home that night. If "they" want to go home that night? All they have to do is raise their hands when told to. Evidently that is too much to ask but we are being asked to say, awwwe, he didn't feel he had to.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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How to handle this. Dont televise the national anthem.
They're not routinely televised.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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NFL remains by far the most popular U.S. sport. Since the start of the season, 17 of the top 20 shows on TV have been NFL games. But ratings declining - not just this season, but last season as well.....perhaps casual, fringe fans have decided CTE and kneeling aren't for them. Who knows? Guess they can watch NASCAR, NBA, MLB - no biggie. NFL still is making billions each year. Can't see the sport going away; at least for a few more decades it'll be around.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nfl-rat...inkId=43733219
 
Old 10-20-2017, 05:12 AM
 
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The NFL has gotten corny as hell anyway. And its obvious this year that the league has blatantly instructed players to concoct some goofy touchdown celebration for every game in an effort to make the league look more fun and interesting again. Youve got guys making more effort to choreograph their 4 man touchdown celebration than they do to make the actual play. The amount and the types of celebrations dont even look natural, at all. Aside from kneeling, the entire emphasis this season is on making sure the players celebrate and make a scene after every touchdown.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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The NFL has gotten corny as hell anyway. And its obvious this year that the league has blatantly instructed players to concoct some goofy touchdown celebration for every game in an effort to make the league look more fun and interesting again. Youve got guys making more effort to choreograph their 4 man touchdown celebration than they do to make the actual play. The amount and the types of celebrations dont even look natural, at all. Aside from kneeling, the entire emphasis this season is on making sure the players celebrate and make a scene after every touchdown.

I miss players like Emmett Smith, Barry Sanders and Walter Payton. Superstars and class acts. They'd score a touchdown and walk over to give the ball to the referee.


As someone once said and I don't remember who it was, "Act like you've done it before".
 
Old 10-20-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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I miss players like Emmett Smith, Barry Sanders and Walter Payton. Superstars and class acts. They'd score a touchdown and walk over to give the ball to the referee.


As someone once said and I don't remember who it was, "Act like you've done it before".

Agreed. Although I dont mind some reasonable celebration along with the OCCASIONAL prolonged celebration, it just looks silly for players to go from kneeling in staunch protest against the furor in chief, police brutality, and during a time when peoples' loved ones are being mowed down at concert venues and are losing lives and priceless posessions in epic floods, hurricanes and wildfires, for those same players to break into doing the harlem shuffle and turning backflips just because they crossed a line painted onto some grass.

I realize that football, and sports in general, are a release for many people and are a form of escapism for some, but something about being able to go from, upset and solemn, to being elated and joyous (sometimes within a matter of seconds after kickoff has taken place) over such relatively minor feats strikes me as being very choreographed, bipolar, and even disingenuous.

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Old 10-20-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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A black Gold Star couple that lost their son in May was interviewed on CNN, seems like the purpose must have been to make Trump look bad but what I got out of the interview was the complete and total heartbreak. It was one of the saddest things I have ever watched and was crying along with the mother as she tried to explain just a little of what she was feeling. When asked if there was anything anybody could do, she just said "Please don't forget my son". To me, that is what our Anthem is all about, not forgetting. The Anthem is about honoring the ones who didn't come home, the wounded and their families while we are all together. "Please don't forget my son", that is all she asks for.

I am not going to watch somebody try to draw attention away from the reason we are all honoring the Flag during the National Anthem because this is the way we will "not forget her son" or any of the others who will never come home and never get to watch a football game again.

Football players can kneel all they want but I am not going to watch them kneel or play. They can skip their break and protest during halftime so they understand what sacrifice means.
 
Old 10-20-2017, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Here's the solution. Play the anthem during pre-game while the players haven't returned to the field. There's plenty of time for that between all the other commercialism the teams expose the fans to before each game w/ sponsors. That way the fans can be happy and the players happy.
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