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Old 11-17-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Two definite shoulds in my eyes. Ben McAdoo for losing his locker room. Marvin Lewis since he will have 15 years with no playoff wins.
This board and certain sports media personalities have an odd affection for Lewis for some reason. He's WAAAYYY overdue...

The Bengals hadn't won eight games in a year for seven years (1996) before Lewis came. They had only won eight total games between '02 and '01, and Lewis comes in and posts back-to-back eight win seasons his first two years, then he wins the division and takes the franchise to the playoffs for the first time since 1990, in 2005. Great start to the Lewis era, he's bought mayne two bad seasons, right? Considering where the organization was for 15 years before him...

In 2006 and 2007 he misses the playoffs both years, there go your two bad years, Marv. Win the division or make the playoffs next year, or else. 2008 was the worst year of the Lewis era, 4-11-1. This is the very first time he deserved to be fired. Six seasons, one playoff appearance, back to the division cellar. Let's go find a better coach...

Everything after that should have been a one for one, max. He won division and made playoffs in '09 (0-2 playoffs), but won just four games in '10. Fire his ass! But noooo...

The third playoff loss in 2011 is what should have awakened the front office. It's nice to make the playoffs (three times in nine years). It's not okay to lose every year we make it. You better win next year...then he goes one and done in each if the next four years. How many losses does a guy have to have to cut the cord?

I guess in a since, he validated the organization's patience and trust in him, for missing the playoffs 5 of his first 6 years, by making the playoffs five years in a row this decade. But he's never been elite, his team's have often had discipline and image issues, he coaches horribly in the playoffs and his team often plays worse. If we want to be an elite franchise, instead of just a perennial playoff team, we have to put the people in position to take us there and 86 the guys who can't...

The Bengals have long told us it's okay to just make the playoffs...
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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Understood, Jackson is working in a bad situation in Cleveland, and a head coaching change may not improve anything.. but Jackson's record in Cleveland is now 1-25. Total head coaching record (including Oakland) is 9-33 (source- Pro Football Reference).
With no signs of improvement, I'm assuming the Jackson experiment is close to over (?).. Sorry situation for a great football town.
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:40 AM
 
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Everyone always jumps up and down when a head coach either loses too much, and automatically the answer is he should be fired (regardless of whether there is an alternative in mind), or the team surprisingly wins, and suddenly he must be coach of the year. Watching Dallas play in recent years, whether they are hot or cold, I can confidently state that Jason Garrett is awful. Usage of the clock, time outs, and any sort of innovative offensive play calling to adapt to the opponents strength or to alleviate your own shortcomings, the guy is clueless. Whether Dallas was in the midst of a 14-2 season, or in the mess they're in now, Garrett is terrible.
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Understood, Jackson is working in a bad situation in Cleveland, and a head coaching change may not improve anything.. but Jackson's record in Cleveland is now 1-25. Total head coaching record (including Oakland) is 9-33 (source- Pro Football Reference).
With no signs of improvement, I'm assuming the Jackson experiment is close to over (?).. Sorry situation for a great football town.
what will continue to hamper Cleveland with both coaching and free agents is that anyone worth their salt will probably have an equal opportunity to sign on somewhere else with a better organization always forcing Cleveland into filling their vacancies with front-office and coaching hand-me-downs that nobody else wants, which leads to decisions such as signing the Johnny Manziels and passing on the Carson Wentz's of the world.
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Old 11-27-2017, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Dirk Koetter for all practical purposes is done.
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Old 11-27-2017, 02:44 PM
 
Location: VA
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Bucs, Raiders and Cowboy coaches all should be on a seat that's heating up...big decline from last year.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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Bears

Giants

Tampa

Browns(maybe)

Raiders

Miami

Ravens
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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Bears

Giants

Tampa

Browns(maybe)

Raiders

Miami

Ravens
I'm surprised someone thinks John Harbaugh would get fired from the Ravens.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA and Washington, DC
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Bears

Giants

Tampa

Browns(maybe)

Raiders

Miami

Ravens
I agree with all but the last three.

Raiders - Jack gets another year based on last year being their first playoff appearance in years.

Miami - I think Gase isn't the problem. The GM who thought it was a good idea to sign Cutler and trade Adaji is a bigger problem IMO. Think the Dolphins fare better if Tanenehill don't get hurt.

Ravens - Flacco is a bigger problem IMO and they are showing slightly enough life to save Harbaugh for another year.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Two Rivers, Wisconsin
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Harbaugh isn't going anywhere and would be hired somewhere else if he was. Ravens front office, the money they gave Flacco more of an issue than the coach.
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