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Old 12-09-2017, 10:06 PM
 
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Exactly. That Rams team was so loaded... Faulk, Bruce, Holt, and not to mention Pace (one of the best Left Tackles of all time). Warner fell into a very good situation.

Now I agree with most posters that Keenum probably won't turn out to be as good as Warner was, but his current situation is very similar.
The Vikings don't have a great offense they been winning because of the running game and Keenum's ability to buy time and move the chains. Once they get some receivers they will probably be hard to beat since they have a good defense.
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Old 12-09-2017, 10:13 PM
 
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Why are the situations so much different? Other than Keenum being an undersized NFL backup until the age of 29 and Warner being an undersized practice squad/indoor football/Europe football QB until the age of 29? Let me guess, it is because Keenum's stats aren't as eye popping as "The Greatest show in turf"?
You have to look at what each had done in their breakout season relative to their peers. Warner lead the league in TDs, completion percentage, YPA and QB rating. And in a couple of those it wasn't even close. 3 percentage points higher then the next closest in completion percentage. 15 points higher than the next closest in QB rating. Imagine the kind of numbers Keenum would finish the season with this year if he were to have a similar break out year as Warner did back in 1999?

His line would be something like this:

124.0 QB Rating. 43 TDs 74% completion 4300 yards

The big difference between the two is Warner took the league by storm with the numbers he was putting up in 1999. Keenum is playing well but is no where close to taking the league by storm with his numbers.


Also, Warner was a complete unknown. So when Warner came out playing well it was all anyone knew of him in the NFL. Keenum on the other hand has several years of below average QB play in the NFL on his resume. It's easier to question if he could take a step back.
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Old 12-09-2017, 11:43 PM
 
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I think he brings more to the table than Warner when it comes to athletic ability. Warner benefited from having a HOF RB and a group of great receivers around him. Keenum has none of that and the Vikings continue to win.
Adam Thielen is an outstanding wideout and I would put him easily Top 15, which is no small feat considering most teams start three receivers now. He also has a Too 15 tight end. So Keenum does have a true #1, and he has a Top 2 defense. Don't minimize the effects that a great defense has on a quarterback's play--he gets more possessions, mostly plays from ahead, etc...

That said, he isn't Warner, for reasons others have listed. The circumstances are similar but the optics and specificities are different...
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Old 12-10-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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Warner benefited from a great supporting cast of rbs, as well as receivers in both St Louis and Arizona. He is also imo not a Hall-of-Famer given his propensity to turn the ball over much of his career. But enough with this ridiculous comparison to Keenum. There are no similarities. Warner is better, and was worlds better right from the get-go of his NFL career. Thank god its game day and this thread can get back on track.
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Old 12-10-2017, 07:16 AM
 
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Hopefully, the Eagles will be in the playoffs today.
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Old 12-10-2017, 08:00 AM
 
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Hopefully, the Eagles will be in the playoffs today.
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Old 12-10-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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Warner benefited from a great supporting cast of rbs, as well as receivers in both St Louis and Arizona. He is also imo not a Hall-of-Famer given his propensity to turn the ball over much of his career. But enough with this ridiculous comparison to Keenum. There are no similarities. Warner is better, and was worlds better right from the get-go of his NFL career. Thank god its game day and this thread can get back on track.
I agree that he probably won't be better than Kurt Warner was. All I am saying is that his situation is very similar to Warner's in that he is a 29 year old cast off that is playing out of his mind right now.

Also, Keenum has never really been all that bad, he just wasn't in any good situations. His first year in Houston the Texans were still trying to suck everything out of Schaub that they could, and then decided to do the whole Fitzpatrick/Mallett experiment the next year. While in St. Louis he had to sit behind another experiment in Nick Foles the first year, then got benched the second year so that the Rams could find out whether or not Goff was worth the number 1 pick during an already lost season. BTW, Jeff Fisher would have made any halfway decent QB look like complete garbage, I think we can use the success of both Goff and Keenum this year as proof to how inept that guy was.
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Old 12-10-2017, 09:31 AM
 
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Hopefully, the Eagles will be in the playoffs today.
Even if they dont get into today im sure they wont lose 3 straight games. Especially with the giants on schedule next week
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Old 12-10-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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Even if they dont get into today im sure they wont lose 3 straight games. Especially with the giants on schedule next week
Agreed. But it's always nice to wrap things up early.
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Old 12-10-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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Agreed. But it's always nice to wrap things up early.
but...not too early
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