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Old 12-17-2017, 05:57 PM
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Location: Fredericksburg/Virginia Beach, VA
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Most of all, I still put the Patriots win at San Diego in the 06 playoffs as the epitome of pulling one out of your you-know-what.
That was a good one. Those Chargers teams in a short stretch from about 2004-2009 were pretty solid to very good, with the 2006 team the best in the NFL for the 2006 regular season. But those teams were also very undisciplined and would often shoot themselves in the foot, just the way they did in that game with some of their mental mistakes.

This year’s playoffs is definitely shaping up to be pretty entertaining. With the Titans loss there will also be a very entertaining race for the 2 wild card spots in the last 2 weeks.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:13 PM
 
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No issue going for the TD. Forced pass and not the right play to make, rather than throwing the ball away? Yes, Rothlisberger erred.
Btw how big was that 2 point conversion. Of course if it is a one point game, your going for the field goal and earlier. But ********** train of thought that you settle for OT when it's only 3rd down with enough time and inside the 10. Always the Monday morning quarterbacks abound when in fact, if Pittsburgh scored a TD, nobody would suggest it was the wrong call.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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Btw how big was that 2 point conversion. Of course if it is a one point game, your going for the field goal and earlier. But ********** train of thought that you settle for OT when it's only 3rd down with enough time and inside the 10. Always the Monday morning quarterbacks abound when in fact, if Pittsburgh scored a TD, nobody would suggest it was the wrong call.
Again, if you're Pittsburgh, how the hell do you call a fake spike? Suspect play calling. How do you also leave Gronk (who had torched them for 65 YARDS on the TD drive) alone on one-on-one coverage on the 2 pt play?
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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Again, if you're Pittsburgh, how the hell do you call a fake spike? Suspect play calling. How do you also leave Gronk (who had torched them for 65 YARDS on the TD drive) alone on one-on-one coverage on the 2 pt play?
And it was a slow developing fake spike at that which is why the Pats was ready for the pass.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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No excuse for letting NE march right down the field, with Gronkowski owning the secondary. But one can't help but notice that the Patriots sure seem to get quite a few "breaks"-either tough officials calls or inexplicable, historic collapses. It's almost like the Patriots have some kind of "mind meld" which causes refs to bail them out, as well as causing disciplined teams to suddenly, unexpectedly and historically become unglued.
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Old 12-17-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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No excuse for letting NE march right down the field, with Gronkowski owning the secondary. But one can't help but notice that the Patriots sure seem to get quite a few "breaks"-either tough officials calls or inexplicable, historic collapses. It's almost like the Patriots have some kind of "mind meld" which causes refs to bail them out, as well as causing disciplined teams to suddenly, unexpectedly and historically become unglued.
The Patriots have easily been the most dominant team in the NFL over the last 16 years. Their coach is easily one of the top 3 in NFL history. Their opponents regularly try and out smart and out coach Bill and more often than not it blows up in their faces. The Patriots are also the most prepared team in the league and that reason, along with having a great coach and great QB, are why they consistently beat teams. Not the refs. Not fluke plays. It's the way the team performs.
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Old 12-17-2017, 08:27 PM
 
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The Patriots have easily been the most dominant team in the NFL over the last 16 years. Their coach is easily one of the top 3 in NFL history. Their opponents regularly try and out smart and out coach Bill and more often than not it blows up in their faces. The Patriots are also the most prepared team in the league and that reason, along with having a great coach and great QB, are why they consistently beat teams. Not the refs. Not fluke plays. It's the way the team performs.
True enough, but still when was the last time the Patriots lost a big game due to a very tough call, or inexplicable collapse? Seems like in every big game they play, when there's a controversial call to determine the outcome, guess who wins
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:23 PM
 
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Again, if you're Pittsburgh, how the hell do you call a fake spike? Suspect play calling. How do you also leave Gronk (who had torched them for 65 YARDS on the TD drive) alone on one-on-one coverage on the 2 pt play?
IIRC, you're talking about the same team that decided to not even cover Gronk at all on a couple of plays in the season opener in 2015. I guess at least they put one guy on him this time?
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:52 AM
 
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True enough, but still when was the last time the Patriots lost a big game due to a very tough call, or inexplicable collapse? Seems like in every big game they play, when there's a controversial call to determine the outcome, guess who wins
What "tough calls" are you talking about?

Tuck rule? Over turned catch last night? In both cases the rules as they exist were properly applied.

Whether the rules applied are reasonable and fair is debatable and in the case of the tuck rule that one has already gone by the wayside.

As for "inexplicable collapse" the Pats are well coached and prepared they don't tend to beat themselves but they aren't perfect....2009 4th and 2 against the Colts comes to mind.

Steelers could have closed out the Pats last night but they failed. Pats punted the ball back to the Steelers down 5 with 3 minutes left, make 1 or 2 first downs and the game is over.....they went 3 and out for the first time all game.....THAT was a choke...

The call for the fake spike wasn't necessarily a bad call (but Ben is already trying to throw his OC under the bus instead of taking the blame) but the decision to throw the ball into triple coverage instead of throwing the ball out of the end zone....THAT was a choke
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Old 12-18-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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What "tough calls" are you talking about?

Tuck rule? Over turned catch last night? In both cases the rules as they exist were properly applied.

Whether the rules applied are reasonable and fair is debatable and in the case of the tuck rule that one has already gone by the wayside.

As for "inexplicable collapse" the Pats are well coached and prepared they don't tend to beat themselves but they aren't perfect....2009 4th and 2 against the Colts comes to mind.

Steelers could have closed out the Pats last night but they failed. Pats punted the ball back to the Steelers down 5 with 3 minutes left, make 1 or 2 first downs and the game is over.....they went 3 and out for the first time all game.....THAT was a choke...

The call for the fake spike wasn't necessarily a bad call (but Ben is already trying to throw his OC under the bus instead of taking the blame) but the decision to throw the ball into triple coverage instead of throwing the ball out of the end zone....THAT was a choke
I never been a fan of a slant pass into the middle of the endzone. Passes in the endzone should be over the top toward the corner or a back shoulder throw.
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