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Old 04-10-2018, 05:45 PM
 
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I'm so sick of hearing about this year's QB crop. The top 4 are good, but none of them are slam dunks. Allen fell way off this past season, Rosen's a headcase whose long-term desire is being questioned, Darnold is a turnover machine, and Mayfield's short and at times seems to act like he's not the brightest crayon in the box. The comparisons to the famed Class of '83 are immature IMNSHO.

My bet is 1 of those 4 is a HOF contender, another one is a Pro Bowler, and the other two are marginal starters/career backups. Not great odds.
I agree with you and I think you are even being overly generous on your long term predictions....it would be surprising if any of this crop is a HOF contender. Pro Bowler? maybe especially these days when so many players turn down the spot and ultimately you get about 5-6 QB's per Conference getting the label each year.
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Old 04-11-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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[quote=bluescreen73;51568536]I'm so sick of hearing about this year's QB crop. The top 4 are good, but none of them are slam dunks. Allen fell way off this past season, Rosen's a headcase whose long-term desire is being questioned, Darnold is a turnover machine, and Mayfield's short and at times seems to act like he's not the brightest crayon in the box. The comparisons to the famed Class of '83 are immature IMNSHO.

My bet is 1 of those 4 is a HOF contender, another one is a Pro Bowler, and the other two are marginal starters/career backups. Not great odds.[/quote]

My HOF contender is Sam Darnold, his only knock is turnovers which IMO can easily be rectified, my Pro Bowler will be Josh Rosen, with the other two as marginal players, actually, I think Mayfield will be ok, Allen is the one I have questions on.

As far as natural talent, Allen should be the best player. Man his arm strength is off the charts, I just question whether he can put the ball where it needs to be on a consistent basis.
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:08 PM
 
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The NFL Draft has maybe exceeded the Heisman Trophy chase as the most overhyped sport discussion by the media. Wake me when it's over. Then there will be worthwhile discussion. "Mock draft" Bleh. Especially when these "experts" have produced a different one for each day of the week it seems. And nothing like the pub received for some just decent college QB who has a better chance of being the next Brock Osweiller than Aaron Rodgers.
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Old 04-12-2018, 08:17 PM
 
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For some reason I find Allen to be the best of the crop. As a giants fan, I want nothing to do with Rosen or that second coming of Jonny manziel, .... Baker Mayfield.....

Id love them to take Allen or Darnold.
Also a Giants fan, I am pretty much with you on Darnold. I dont know if I am sold on any of them. I dont see Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck here...
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Old 04-12-2018, 09:05 PM
 
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Also a Giants fan, I am pretty much with you on Darnold. I dont know if I am sold on any of them. I dont see Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck here...
Nobody thought much of Goff and Wentz either but they have both turned out pretty good. On the other hand, Winston and Marriota were both highly regarded coming out and both have pretty much been, meh, up to this point. Never know what you are going to get. And then of course, throw in the fact that their is probably at least a 50% chance that the best QB of this draft is actually one taken in the second round or beyond like a Jimmy G, Carr, Dak, Wilson, Cousins, Brees or Brady.

I think the top five QBs coming out, with the possible exception of Allen, all have pretty high floors. Question is will they reach their ceilings?
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Old 04-13-2018, 06:50 AM
 
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Mel Kiper has changed his mind on the Giants pick three time now. All so a Giants fan and I am not a fan of any of these QB's .If Barkley is there at #2 you take him but if not I trade back and fix the team. Maybe take a QB in a later round but there a some good players down deeper in this draft and the Giants need help ,everywhere.
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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As mentioned earlier, Darnold's turnovers can be corrected. In a lot of cases he had just one hand on the ball while trying to scramble and make yardage. He will be taught to tuck that ball in. Plus if the Browns truly keep him on the bench for a year to learn, then Darnold has the most upside.

Allen, 56.2% completion is not good. Some will say it's because of his WR's in college. The track record for quarterbacks in the NFL with low college completion percentages isn't great, especially for those below the 58 percent threshold. Over the past few months he has improved his throwing technique, shorting his stride and other tweaks. So with NFL pro WR's he may improve, but history shows otherwise. Allen may be more ready to start than Darnold if needed.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:59 PM
 
Location: California
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As mentioned earlier, Darnold's turnovers can be corrected. In a lot of cases he had just one hand on the ball while trying to scramble and make yardage. He will be taught to tuck that ball in. Plus if the Browns truly keep him on the bench for a year to learn, then Darnold has the most upside.

Allen, 56.2% completion is not good. Some will say it's because of his WR's in college. The track record for quarterbacks in the NFL with low college completion percentages isn't great, especially for those below the 58 percent threshold. Over the past few months he has improved his throwing technique, shorting his stride and other tweaks. So with NFL pro WR's he may improve, but history shows otherwise. Allen may be more ready to start than Darnold if needed.

If you got to see all of Allen's passes on his pro day, he over threw on a lot of his passes.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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Saints head coach Sean Payton went on the record saying there's no Carson Wentz or Andrew Luck in this year's QB class, and it wouldn't surprise him at all if only 1 of the top 4 QB prospects (Darnold) was even in the league 4-5 years from now.
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Old 04-16-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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I find Mock Drafts Entertaining. Not.
I have more fun trying to predict the winners of week 1 NOW not knowing who is going to be on the team.
I have more fun thinking about who I would draft if I were the GM....

And successful football directors, like Bilecheck do not car about mock drafts, but people who work for teams like , say Jerry Jones, the Browns or MY FINZ are going to use them as a template for who to draft.
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