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Old 09-19-2018, 10:01 AM
 
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Will weigh in on some comments on this thread (good comments BTW) a little later.

The NFL's upper crust is spending money like it has terminal cancer. One of the issues that has the NFL HOFers upset is Roger Goodell. Now this is old news regarding his $40 million a year contract but what comes along with it is Goodell was demanding a private jet for himself and lifetime health insurance for him and his family.

Another is something I just recently learned in regards to the Pro Football Hall of Fame Museum in Canton, Ohio. A gigantic project is being built there and it is called "Johnson Controls Hall of Fame Village." The cost on this is somewhere close to a billion dollars. It includes an indoor water park, a four star hotel and conference center, a 5000 seat arena, restaurants and a youth sports complex. Check out the Pro Football HOF site and also do a search on "Cantonrep.com.--Hall of Fame construction update.


It is somewhat ironic that this huge project sports a corporate name. By the way, Johnson Controls is a huge commercial manufacturer and contractor of electronics, HVAC equipment, etc. They have their own construction companies, consulting firms, etc. Until 2016, they were ranked as a Fortune 500 company ranked in the Fortune Global 500, coming in at 242. They lost that designation when they moved their corporate offices to Ireland.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:46 PM
 
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why should the NFL provide health insurance to former players? they were NOT employed by the NFL, but rather the individual teams. thus if anyone should be providing health insurance, it should be the teams. and if the players didnt negotiate that provision into their contract, then again that is on them, not the team.
You could make the same argument about former MLB and NBA players — but it turns out they have this insurance. There’s certainly reasonable precedent for this to happen for NFL players, too, and there’s no reason why it couldn’t happen.
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Old 09-20-2018, 04:00 PM
 
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You could make the same argument about former MLB and NBA players — but it turns out they have this insurance. There’s certainly reasonable precedent for this to happen for NFL players, too, and there’s no reason why it couldn’t happen.

perhaps, but their players associations set up that insurance benefit for retired players, the nfl players association didnt see fit to do that.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:56 PM
 
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perhaps, but their players associations set up that insurance benefit for retired players, the nfl players association didnt see fit to do that.
There was a lot of things that the association was doing that was just flat wrong until until HBO's "Real Sports with "Bryant Gumbel" broadcast a 20 minute interview with former NFLers Harry Carson, Mike Ditka, Johnny Cooks, and Conrad Dobler. The interview was conducted by Jon Frankel. It dealt with the NFL disability issue with former NFL players who were in their 50's and how they were pretty much thrown on the scrap heap courtesy of the NFL and particularly Gene Upshaw, then president of the NFLPA. This was back in 2007 just before the Colt/Bear Super Bowl.

It shows Harry Carson's HOF induction speech where he states that "we need to take better care of our own." What clinches the 20 minute documentary, with me anyway, was the case of former Pittsburgh Steeler and HOF er Mike Webster. It involves years of denials, appeals, denials, and more appeals, all the while ruining Webster mentally to where he wound up living in the back of his truck, separated from his wife and children.

To this day I still remember Al Michaels and Dan Dierdorf interviewing him at halftime of a ABC Monday Night game where the Steelers playing (Can't remember who). The answers Mike was giving the two were shocking. After 2 minutes I'll bet ya that both guys were thinking "how can we wrap up this interview in 30 seconds or less." Webster just couldn't answer the questions and when he did he would change subjects in mid sentence. The next day the sport talk radio and tv shows talked about that interview for some time. When he got to the point about saying that "he was all right living in his camper" IIRC the interview quickly wrapped up.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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We would need more information before we could really make informed statements on what, if anything, they deserve. I don't think I have a problem with giving them health insurance (or offering health insurance at a discounted rate if the league doesn't want to pay the full bill) but retired NFL players already receive a pension, which they apparently are able to draw as early as age 45. The details are murky but it sounds like there are tiers with milestones being age 45, 55 and 65, with retirees who wait until the latter tier (age 65) receiving by far the most yearly income.


I would be curious to find out more about the pension plan for older players and how much it pays, as Dickerson would surely be receiving a pension.


https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/20/new...rement-income/
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