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Old 11-23-2018, 09:06 AM
 
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Tiki Barber actually has amazing numbers. As Bauch said he retired early. Even then his numbers by some metrics are better than Edge’s and other HOFer’s. Had Barber played one more season he would be a lock for the HoF ending up with over 17,000 scrimmage yards and around 12,00 rushing.

I think looking at total rushing yards for a rb is an outdated metric. Pre-2000 it often made sense because RB’s total yards from scrimmage was often very close to their total rushing yards. But that is not the case anymore with guys like Faulk, LT, Barber, Bell, Gurley, Kamara, Hunt. All these players will have a significant percentage of their total yards tied up in receiving yards as well.
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Old 11-23-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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Re James, he has a 2-year peak of his first two seasons, but he also has six other seasons not far off that, including two when he made the Pro Bowl and one where he garnered a 1st team all pro selection from Sporting News. He had one season shortened by injury in between these two time clumps, and unfortunately his decline phase was quick, but his strong seasons were good enough to push him over the 12K career rushing mark. Heís arguably the second best RB of the decade after Ladanian Tomlinson, and that should be good enough to qualify him for the HoF. RBs other than him from the period are short career huge peak flameout types such as Jamal Lewis, Shaun Alexander, and Priest Holmes and early retiree Tiki Barber ó none of whom have a good HoF case.

Re Butler, would argue that this isnít the way to go. The best approach is to decide who is and isnít a HoFer and get as many of them in as you can. Butler best as I can see clears the in-out line unless youíre unrealistically small hall. The problem then is to get him in before his eligibility runs out, and if it means Ed Reed waits a year to accomplish that, so be it. Reedís getting in anyway, and rightly so, and he has a ton of eligibility left. But timeís running out on guys like Atwater and Butler, and if you donít get them in now, they fall into the Senior pool where they languish forever ó ask guys like Chuck Howley and Maxie Baughan, both highly deserving OLBs from the 60s who are very old and still waiting.
How long do you have to have eligibility before going into senior status? 20 years after retirement?

Also, I don't have a memory as long as yours, but I don't recall a precedent of multiple defensive backs from the same position, getting in, in the same year. There is five safeties and three corners as semifinalists this year, I doubt more than one from each position gets in...
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Old 11-23-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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How long do you have to have eligibility before going into senior status? 20 years after retirement?

Also, I don't have a memory as long as yours, but I don't recall a precedent of multiple defensive backs from the same position, getting in, in the same year. There is five safeties and three corners as semifinalists this year, I doubt more than one from each position gets in...
Itís currently 25 years after retirement. A player nowadays has 20 eligible years as a regular HoF candidate.

There was one year in which two non-senior DBs got elected, in 1989 when safety Willie Wood and CB Mel Blount got in. Itís never happened that two non-senior DBs playing the same position have gotten in the same year, but one never knows.
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