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Old 01-21-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Federal Way, WA
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If you want to take the face mask penalty into account than Chiefs fans have every right to complain that the "roughing the passer" cost them the game. The fact is, there were more egregious errors in that Chiefs game later on, and even IF the face mask had been called, you think they score a touchdown and everything else plays out the way it did, that non PI call would be just as bad because the Saints would've been down 4 instead of tied, and the new fresh set of downs would've given them first down from inside the 10 yard line. They still would've needed a touchdown to win, but you'd have to like Brees & Alvin Kamara getting the 4 or 5 yards in 4 downs needed to win. After that, who knows what happens, maybe the Rams let them score on the first down play to save time and they still kick the field goal to send it to overtime. The fact is, that non pi/illegal contact downfield/helmet-to-helmet hit, ALL of which would've given the Saints a first down had a direct impact on how the game turned out, the Goff facemask penalty did not.
Wasn't talking about the Chiefs game, separate subject.

Even if there had been a PI call, you think they score and run the clock down, but you only assume that. They could have had a bad snap or Brees could have thrown a terrible interception just like he did in OT, the kick could have been blocked, etc. Saying the missed facemask call had no impact but the missed PI call did is silly.

And the Saints STILL took the lead on the no PI call drive. They still blew the lead and let it go to OT. They got the ball first and Brees blew it with a horrible INT. Then the Saints defense blew it stopping the Rams from scoring.

Bad calls are exactly that, bad calls. The point of the game in which they occur usually decides how outraged people get. But having a no call late in the game isn't any more of an unfair job by the refs as a no call on the first possession of the first quarter, it just stings more.

And in the ultimate irony, the Saints went to their first superbowl on a phantom PI call that set them up for the winning field goal, again, no Saints fan was complaining then about the refs.

 
Old 01-21-2019, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Murrica
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Brees was hit on the INT. It wasn't just a bad pass.
 
Old 01-21-2019, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Trumbull/Danbury
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It probably wouldn't have gotten talked about, but that would've been an awful call if it was the first play of the game. It just got magnified a lot more because it happened when it did, but that was an egregious call that was inexcusable to miss no matter at what point it occurred in the game.
 
Old 01-21-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Federal Way, WA
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Just so Saints fans can feel better, just close your eyes and enjoy the memory of Vikings defender Ben Leber being called for pass interference on Saints TE David Thomas when the replay showed there was no contact and the ball was thrown about 5 feet over the receiver.

That was the play that set up the Saints game winning field goal to go to superbowl 44, a bad throw with no pass interference that was called PI anyway by the refs and gave the Saints the game winning kick.

And remember, Sean Payton wasn't outraged then, he was happy as the rest of the Saints and their fans. What goes around comes around.
 
Old 01-21-2019, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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It would appear there is a nuclear option in which the NFL commissioner can have the game replayed in full or from the point in dispute. Makes for interesting reading and theories but would open a Pandora's Box if ever used.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/commiss...045113325.html
 
Old 01-21-2019, 12:40 PM
 
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far too much whining about a couple of blown calls, such calls happen in EVERY GAME. good teams overcome the blown calls, and the bad plays, those happen also in EVERY GAME.



the saints had the lead with 1:41 to play, all they had to do is stop the rams offense from getting a field goal or touchdown, and they didnt. blown call or not.


and once again, lets say the refs made the call. its very possible on the very next play the saints may have fumbled the snap, fumbled the hand off and the rams could have recovered the ball, and driven down for a game winning field goal attempt. or its also possible that the saints may have run the clock down, and attempted a field goal, had it blocked and run back for a rams touchdown, or the field goal missed and the game goes into overtime anyway.
 
Old 01-21-2019, 12:55 PM
 
Location: HoCo, MD
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It was obvious an LA team was getting to the Super Bowl this year.....and it certainly wasn't going to be the Chargers!

I'm all for letting the players on the field decide the game, if both guys are fighting for the ball obviously let it go, if both initiate contact at the same time let it go. The CB for the Rams wasn't even looking for the ball and just ran over the receiver. This is akin to a player going in for a layup in basketball getting pushed in the back, and not having a foul called. I don't care what the time and score is, if something is as egregious as that is, it has to be called a penalty.

I'm with Sithlord here, one of either 2 things:
1) Either these officials are incompetent, so they need better training with regards to rules, made full time so they can get more training, or get phased out for newer officials that may know what the rules are
2) The NFL is becoming the WWE were games are predetermined before they start.

I would hope it's just the officials are incompetent, need better training on what the rules are and how to enforce them and not number 2, but then I see the roughing the passer "penalty" on Brady there in the 4th and am thinking even if you are incompetent how the hell can you miss that?? My dog would've seen it was a hit in the shoulder!
Not defending the call or anything - but I believe the official that threw the flag was the Referee. So he couldn't of seen it as he is normally behind the QB. On replays, you can see the flag being thrown from behind Brady. The broadcast team judge (whatever you call that person) even made a comment that you should only make a call that you can see. And he obviously couldn't see what happened from his angle.

As someone who had no real skin in the game and simply wanted to see two good matches - it was really frustrating seeing the officiating having such an impact.
 
Old 01-21-2019, 01:09 PM
 
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Bill Belichick proposed allowing every play to be review-able back in 2013. This would not increase the number of challenges a coach had. Rather a coach would have the ability to challenge any play they wish. Same number of challenges, larger number of plays to use them on.
I have never understood why the coaches cant throw the red flag on any play they want.
 
Old 01-21-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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For those with a fuzzy memory, here are a slew of blown calls that sent the Saints to their first superbowl. You can all stop your whining now because you sure didn't whine about the refs after that game.

Saints/Vikings highlights start around the 45 second mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRd5jkJ1dEo

And Goff was facemasked on the previous drive, but no call and they would have had 1st and goal on the 1 yard line. Wasn't a horrible facemask, but it pulled Goff's head around to the left and completely changed his movement, textbook reason for throwing a flag. Had the Saints guy hit him with his shouler too, it wouldn't have been a bad blown call. But his hand to the facemask turning Goff's head is the only contact he makes. Facemask foul, plain and simple, not single Saints fan believes it was a big deal because they are too busy dramatizing the no call PI on the following drive. But that facemask would have sealed the game for the Rams just as much as the no call PI would have sealed it for the Saints.

The ironic thing hear is there were multiple bad calls in overtime that favored the Saints that were booth reviewed and were still blown calls. The Saints were handed their first superbowl trip by the refs MULTIPLE times.

Have heard nothing but whining from Saints fans and none big enough to admit that PI wasn't the only bad call with game changing implications.
I am a Vikings fan myself. All I keep hearing from other Vikings fan is about 2009. Going back 10 years so you can go, HAHA, is a bit immature and ridiculous.
 
Old 01-21-2019, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Amelia Island
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far too much whining about a couple of blown calls, such calls happen in EVERY GAME. good teams overcome the blown calls, and the bad plays, those happen also in EVERY GAME.



the saints had the lead with 1:41 to play, all they had to do is stop the rams offense from getting a field goal or touchdown, and they didnt. blown call or not.


and once again, lets say the refs made the call. its very possible on the very next play the saints may have fumbled the snap, fumbled the hand off and the rams could have recovered the ball, and driven down for a game winning field goal attempt. or its also possible that the saints may have run the clock down, and attempted a field goal, had it blocked and run back for a rams touchdown, or the field goal missed and the game goes into overtime anyway.

This above is the real nuts and bolts of what happened! With that being said though,it is a double edged sword...........one side being the play was clearly distinguishable as interference and leading with the helmet.

This there is no debating, no iffy angles or perceptions. It should have been called as a penalty.

On the other side of the sword is the aspect of play calling and clock management. The Saints could have run the clock down a bit smarter and did a better job of play calling.

As a patriots fan I have witnessed and learned that as long as there is time left on that clock victory can be snatched at the blink of an eye.
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