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Old 02-14-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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Post season play does come into account for skill position players other than QB's. If it weren't for post season exploits unlikely that either Terrell Davis or Michael Irvin make the HOF.

There is also the idea that certain teams need to be represented for excellence whether the 85 Bears or 90's Bills which each have 4 players ( plus Levy, Polian and Wilson for Bills)
Not sold on the "whole teams" induction for the HoF, myself. It's often redundant, for one thing, as there are usually plenty of payers, coaches, or other personnel already in. If they do this, they need to look carefully at all periods and weigh all the options carefully, which may or may not happen.

Other than for QBs, the only players who defnitely appear to be in the HoF by counting regular and postseason play are Davis and Lynn Swann. Irvin is one of those players who, like Paul Warfield for sure and maybe Andre Reed, has the type of offense they played on factored in -- all played on run-heavy offenses that depressed their stats to a fair extent, though they still were pretty impressive nonetheless. I'm not sure postseason play was figured in with Irvin.

Problem is, it's so rare except in the case of QBs that it's not a significant enough occurrence to constitute a trend.

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This is why although I initially thought the idea of Edelman making it was ridiculous now not so sure....I think a case can be made.
No -- I agree with the guy above who mentioned Wes Welker. He's got a far better case playing the same position. Edelman's not getting in the HoF without a ticket.
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Old 02-14-2019, 10:04 AM
 
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No -- I agree with the guy above who mentioned Wes Welker. He's got a far better case playing the same position. Edelman's not getting in the HoF without a ticket.
I think we disagree actually. Edleman is more of a lock for the Hall than Welker is. Edleman's post season success out weighs any advantages that Welker has with his regular season numbers.

Welker did not rise to the occasion in the playoffs like Edelman has and his numbers show this. Welker's post season YPR is over a full yard lower than his regular season YPR. Welker's most well known play in the postseason is a drop late in the super bowl against the Giants that would have sealed the game and a super bowl victory. It prompted Giselle to say that her husband can't both throw and catch the ball. Something that proved to be true in the second Eagles Super Bowl

On the other hand, Edelman's post season YPR is nearly 1.5 yards higher than his regular season YPR. And he has multiple big moments and plays that have lead to three rings.

And Welker's stats, while very good, just aren't quite HOF worthy IMO. One more season at a high level probably would have made him a lock. He does deserve consideration though and I would expect him to eventually get on the ballot.
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Old 02-14-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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I think we disagree actually. Edleman is more of a lock for the Hall than Welker is. Edleman's post season success out weighs any advantages that Welker has with his regular season numbers.

Welker did not rise to the occasion in the playoffs like Edelman has and his numbers show this. Welker's post season YPR is over a full yard lower than his regular season YPR. Welker's most well known play in the postseason is a drop late in the super bowl against the Giants that would have sealed the game and a super bowl victory. It prompted Giselle to say that her husband can't both throw and catch the ball. Something that proved to be true in the second Eagles Super Bowl

On the other hand, Edelman's post season YPR is nearly 1.5 yards higher than his regular season YPR. And he has multiple big moments and plays that have lead to three rings.

And Welker's stats, while very good, just aren't quite HOF worthy IMO. One more season at a high level probably would have made him a lock. He does deserve consideration though and I would expect him to eventually get on the ballot.

Fair enough on one thing -- I misspoke about Welker's likelihood of making the HoF. My suspicion is that he won't get in, either. But I think his chances are better than Edelman's given his regular season accomplishments are notably better. That matters a lot historically with the voters for RBs and WRs, while postseason success simply hasn't (except for Swann and Davis, of course, for whatever reason).
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