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Old 10-01-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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We need wins.. period...

Blame goes all around, OL, DL, QB, HC, AC ,GM, Owner, everybody... But above all the blame lies with fans for being OK with a second string team who will win 1 game in every 4 games.. Fans seem to be OK with mediocre team.

I have seen a lot of people saying Giants are champions that's why we lost, falcons are top team that's why we lost, saints are ex-champions that's why we lost... Fans find excuses to justify our teams loss... And we do it every time we loose, we did it last year, previous year...

We need a complete reboot of the team. We need wins!!! Not losses... not close finishes... not defeat from jaws of the victory... WE NEED WINS!!!!!!

I dont hate Cam or Ron or Marty.. but they are all disjointed... everybody ready to shoulder the blame (I am sorry for the loss!!!).. but nobody ready to man up!
When you say "complete reboot" that means the owner firing the GM and coach. Is that what you mean? Do you just mean Rivera?
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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We need wins.. period...

Blame goes all around, OL, DL, QB, HC, AC ,GM, Owner, everybody... But above all the blame lies with fans for being OK with a second string team who will win 1 game in every 4 games.. Fans seem to be OK with mediocre team.

I have seen a lot of people saying Giants are champions that's why we lost, falcons are top team that's why we lost, saints are ex-champions that's why we lost... Fans find excuses to justify our teams loss... And we do it every time we loose, we did it last year, previous year...

We need a complete reboot of the team. We need wins!!! Not losses... not close finishes... not defeat from jaws of the victory... WE NEED WINS!!!!!!

I dont hate Cam or Ron or Marty.. but they are all disjointed... everybody ready to shoulder the blame (I am sorry for the loss!!!).. but nobody ready to man up!
I've yet to see this team play 60 minutes of football. I know s^&t happens but this team always has a bad play or game changing play at the most critical times.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:09 PM
 
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When you say "complete reboot" that means the owner firing the GM and coach. Is that what you mean? Do you just mean Rivera?
Besides the GM I don't think anyone should be fired. They just need to reboot their state of mind. It looks like they play not to lose instead of playing to win. There is an "what will go wrong this week" in the back of this teams head...
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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When you say "complete reboot" that means the owner firing the GM and coach. Is that what you mean? Do you just mean Rivera?
I am no expert in football.. Owner needs to do whatever it takes to win...

I saw Atlanta coach going crazy towards the last 30 seconds... I saw him punch an assistant coach..I saw killer instinct in him... I saw the fire to win...

On the other hand I saw our coach looking like he is waiting for the game to end...no fire in the belly...

When the season ends..nobody would care if we came close to winning or played against gods...all that matters is winning ....

This is nfl... No kiddie league.. No place for losers...

I know people who stooped being panthers fans last years because we cannot get wins...

We don't need motivational quotes... Need wins.....

Nuff said..
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Old 10-01-2012, 03:54 PM
 
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Anyone who stops being a Panther fan because they are losing isn't a fan to begin with.... I can understand being frustrated but stop completely? Not possible.
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:24 PM
 
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Anyone who stops being a Panther fan because they are losing isn't a fan to begin with.... I can understand being frustrated but stop completely? Not possible.

Let's jusr say they are all like jilted lovers...

But we better start showing results..or else the fans are bound to be disenfranchised...
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC
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Anyone who stops being a Panther fan because they are losing isn't a fan to begin with.... I can understand being frustrated but stop completely? Not possible.
Stops? Wouldn't that imply they would have to win first?

This fan likes his teams whether they win or lose.
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:40 PM
 
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I am no expert in football.. Owner needs to do whatever it takes to win....
No not really. The reality is this. Professional sports is a business first.

Technically his only objective is to make money. If he can do that without winning then this objective is met. As someone point out earlier, nobody remembers #2 and since there can only be one #1 in all the teams, IMO a good business strategy isn't to try and be the super bowl winner. You only have to be good enough as to not drive away fans. While they might complain about the results, as long as they keep complaining, this means the money keeps rolling in because they still think it's "their team". Objective met.

The only exception to this would be the Green Bay Packers.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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No not really. The reality is this. Professional sports is a business first.

Technically his only objective is to make money. If he can do that without winning then this objective is met. As someone point out earlier, nobody remembers #2 and since there can only be one #1 in all the teams, IMO a good business strategy isn't to try and be the super bowl winner. You only have to be good enough as to not drive away fans. While they might complain about the results, as long as they keep complaining, this means the money keeps rolling in because they still think it's "their team". Objective met.

The only exception to this would be the Green Bay Packers.
There is actually some truth to that. It is always a business first, however some owners are more content than others w/making alot of money > winning rings... Jerry Richardson IMO I don't believe has the drive to win a championship as much as some other owners. Some will pay top dollar to get the best coaches/etc...


That's just my opinion.
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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No not really. The reality is this. Professional sports is a business first.

Technically his only objective is to make money. If he can do that without winning then this objective is met. As someone point out earlier, nobody remembers #2 and since there can only be one #1 in all the teams, IMO a good business strategy isn't to try and be the super bowl winner. You only have to be good enough as to not drive away fans. While they might complain about the results, as long as they keep complaining, this means the money keeps rolling in because they still think it's "their team". Objective met.

The only exception to this would be the Green Bay Packers.
This is what we in sales call "law of diminishing returns".
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