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As many in the media have speculated, Peyton Manning was playing injured. Adam Schefter reported today that Manning tore his right quadricep against the Chargers on Dec. 14th - probably on the block he threw.
If he comes back next season there is NO WAY he's worth $19 million. IMHO he's not even worth half that. I'd try to get him to reduce his paycheck to the neighborhood of $8 million. The Broncos are gonna have to shore up both sides of the ball in free agency and between the $60 million or so they've spent on the defense and Manning's ridiculous salary it's going to be tough sledding.
I was at the game yesterday and it was as though the life was sucked out of the crowd the second half. They've been saying on sports radio here in denver that Manning is now at best an "average" qb. I don't agree with that. He's never been a very mobile qb, or throwing lasers with his arm. His talent has always been his intelligence on the field and knowledge of the game. I just think it's funny that no one felt he was "average" when he was signed 3 years ago.
IMO, he seemed detached and unemotional these last few weeks, almost robotic. Who knows what was/is going through his mind lately. I'd love for him to come back, and I don't think firing John Fox is the answer.
I have to agree with you about Manning..he will go down in football history as the greatest quarterback that has ever played the game.
But with that said over the last half of this season he hasn't been the Manning we have seen over the past several years. His numbers are down and he appears not to make good decisions at times. I think father time has overtaken him. I would not be surprised if he hung up his jock within the next few months. I hope he doesn't try to do what Brett Favre did and embarrass himself in making numerous failed comebacks.
He should retire at the top of his game and open a used car lot or a restaurant.
Manning's arm strength is completely shot--his passes have too much air underneath them, injured arm or not..
His arm wasn't injured, it was his right quad. Hard to get any velocity when your plant-leg is injured. I imagine that also affected his decision-making.
I have to agree with you about Manning..he will go down in football history as the greatest quarterback that has ever played the game.
Sorry, and I don't mean to be ugly, but this kind of commentary kills me. How is he even close to "the greatest QB who ever played the game?"
Peyton has some regular season records, but when you look at his record in the playoffs and his record in winning championships, he has one of the WORST records in the NFL. His own mediocre brother has more championships than he does.
I'm sure some could argue for Montana or Young or Elway or Staubach or Bradshaw or Favre, but for me Brady is the best QB, at least in the last 20 years, if not all time. Not only does he hold all all the playoff records for a QB, but his team has been the most successful in the NFL during his tenure, and he's gone up against Peyton's teams head to head and won overwhelmingly.
Sorry, and I don't mean to be ugly, but this kind of commentary kills me. How is he even close to "the greatest QB who ever played the game?"
I also laugh when I hear that. I wonder if Broncos fans who say that realize that by extension they're also saying that Elway is in second place as Broncos QB. I love P Manning, but almost all objective people currently consider Montana as the best ever. But Brady isn't done yet and another ring this Feb would go a long way in making that argument for him. (as a homer I hope that doesn't happen, but objectively speaking it should)
Sorry, and I don't mean to be ugly, but this kind of commentary kills me. How is he even close to "the greatest QB who ever played the game?"
Peyton has some regular season records, but when you look at his record in the playoffs and his record in winning championships, he has one of the WORST records in the NFL. His own mediocre brother has more championships than he does.
I'm sure some could argue for Montana or Young or Elway or Staubach or Bradshaw or Favre, but for me Brady is the best QB, at least in the last 20 years, if not all time. Not only does he hold all all the playoff records for a QB, but his team has been the most successful in the NFL during his tenure, and he's gone up against Peyton's teams head to head and won overwhelmingly.
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Also also laugh when I hear that. I wonder if Broncos fans who say that realize that by extension they're also saying that Elway is in second place as Broncos QB. I love P Manning, but almost all objective people currently consider Montana as the best ever. But Brady isn't done yet and another ring this Feb would go a long way in making that argument for him. (as a homer I hope that doesn't happen, but objectively speaking it should)
I laugh at this too. But I come from a different perspective.
I am a Pats fan, and Brady is my favorite athlete off all-time (I'm 54 so I've seen enough athletes, and from Boston I can look at Orr, Esposito, Bird, etc). But there is no greatest ever. Can't be. Too many variables as I posted in another thread: different teams, eras, coaches, players, playbooks, etc. In comparing just Brady/Manning, I think accomplishments above just numbers speak for themselves and Brady would be rated better. EDIT: And let's not forget where the two came from - Manning was anointed #1 right out of the gate while Tom Brady was a #199 afterthought coming in.
But, I think there is a top tier of QB's that as time passes QB's with join those ranks. Brady, Montana - already there. I would say Manning albeit for his lousy post season record. Bradshaw/Aikman/Elway? Maybe there too, but those eras were different. Less teams, thus better rosters, But QB's in the old days could get hit unlike today's game.
So forget best ever for any QB - it doesn't and will never exist.
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I'm not trying to make a case that Brady absolutely is the "best QB" in NFL history, although I think reasonable people could make that case.
I do think that by virtue of his poor playoff record and poor head to head with Brady, that it's very difficult to make a case that Peyton is in the running for "best QB" in NFL history.
One of the best regular season QBs in the last 20 years...absolutely. I put him in a category with Drew Brees.
His brother on the other hand is a mediocre regular season QB who rose to the occasion in the two Superbowls.
I'm not trying to make a case that Brady absolutely is the "best QB" in NFL history, although I think reasonable people could make that case.
I do think that by virtue of his poor playoff record and poor head to head with Brady, that it's very difficult to make a case that Peyton is in the running for "best QB" in NFL history.
One of the best regular season QBs in the last 20 years...absolutely. I put him in a category with Drew Brees.
His brother on the other hand is a mediocre regular season QB who rose to the occasion in the two Superbowls.
As a Giants fan, I will accept that!
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