Brett Favre is a Classless SOB (record, balls, Packers, teams)

[Adrian71]

Originally Posted by TXboomerang

What does Rodgers having a great QB rating do for the Packers? It doesn't punch their ticket to the playoffs, and the crappy defense is just another sign of the TT brilliance that so many defended during the offseason as him being able to see "the big picture". If the big picture is going 6-10 after an NFC championship game gone to overtime, I'd like to see a smaller picture of TT leaving Green Bay.

Not that Favre would have done any better. Our defense killed us this year, not the QB position.

But I know the Favre lovers will never be able to blame Favre for anything. It's all the fault of Packers management ... I've heard it ever since the offseason blowup. Well, guess what. The Packers have a great young QB, a solid receiver corps, and a young roster that has a lot to build on. The Jets have a washed-up "gunslinger" that lets your team down when you need him most, a coach who took the fall for it, and a former QB who got cut for Favre but ended up getting the last laugh by beating the Jets on their homefield and going to the playoffs.

PRICELESS.

[RjRobb2]

Originally Posted by gnab gib

Which Brett Favre singlehandedly lost for us, by throwing an idiotic INT in overtime.

If it wasn't for Brett Favre, it could have been the Packers taking on the Pats last year in the Super Bowl.

I am SO tired of the Favre apologists. The guy lets your team down when you need him most. He's shown it over and over and over again. I said it would happen to the Jets, too, and it did. 2 TDs and 9 INTs in his last 5 games, a league-leading 22 picks for the season ... ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 NFL interception king, Brett Favre.

One play doesnt make a game. We should of had the Giants finished before overtime. Everyone should of played better, not just Brett. Teams win games, not individual players. Teams lose games, not individual players. The entire team played disinterested and flat.

If it wasnt for the play of Favre last year, we dont go 13-3 and we dont make it as far as we did. He was outstanding all season. From the comeback versus the Chiefs, to the OT toss against the Broncos, to his brilliant play in the playoffs versus the Seahawks.

You want to blame that play because it was the last play but mistakes were made by several players in that game that all accumulated to make the loss. Football games are an accumulation of plays and mistakes are made all throughout that lead to losses, not just one play.

[Fred314X]

Originally Posted by RjRobb2

Teams lose games, not individual players.

You could get banned from the forum for displaying common sense like that!

[Packersnut21]

Originally Posted by RjRobb2

If it wasnt for the play of Favre last year, we dont go 13-3 and we dont make it as far as we did. He was outstanding all season. From the comeback versus the Chiefs, to the OT toss against the Broncos, to his brilliant play in the playoffs versus the Seahawks.

You want to blame that play because it was the last play but mistakes were made by several players in that game that all accumulated to make the loss. Football games are an accumulation of plays and mistakes are made all throughout that lead to losses, not just one play.

So Favre gets all the credit for winning the games but when it comes to blame it has to be spread around?

Correct me if Im wrong but wasn't it a wide open Jennings who caught the pass in OT vs the Broncos. Maybe he had something to do with that win as much as Favre

[RjRobb2]

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

So Favre gets all the credit for winning the games but when it comes to blame it has to be spread around?

I have never given Brett credit for winning all the games. You must of not read my sentence that said, "Teams win games, not individual players. Teams lose games, not individual players."

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

Correct me if Im wrong but wasn't it a wide open Jennings who caught the pass in OT vs the Broncos. Maybe he had something to do with that win as much as Favre

Jennings did have as much to do with that but our discussion wasnt about Greg Jennings, it was about Favre.

[Packersnut21]

Originally Posted by RjRobb2

I have never given Brett credit for winning all the games. You must of not read my sentence that said, "Teams win games, not individual players. Teams lose games, not individual players."



Jennings did have as much to do with that but our discussion wasnt about Greg Jennings, it was about Favre.

IM just responding to your comment:

If it wasnt for the play of Favre last year, we dont go 13-3 and we dont make it as far as we did. He was outstanding all season. From the comeback versus the Chiefs, to the OT toss against the Broncos, to his brilliant play in the playoffs versus the Seahawks.

Which made it seem like Favre's play was the reason we went 13-3, when it wasn't then entire reason.

I do see your point as this is a discussion about Favre but I just wanted to clarify my statement.

[TXboomerang]

Originally Posted by gnab gib

Which Brett Favre singlehandedly lost for us, by throwing an idiotic INT in overtime.

Yep, singlehandedly lost. Al Harris wasn't supposed to be covering Burress, so it definitely had nothing to do with Manning connecting over and over on back breaking plays to the guy that was supposed to be covered by our best cover guy. And Ryan Grant only needed to get less than 2.5 yards per carry, so he did his part. Our D-line wasn't responsible for stopping the run, so it wasn't their fault the Giants bulldozed them the whole game. Too bad everybody did their part to beat the Giants except Favre.

[TXboomerang]

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

Which made it seem like Favre's play was the reason we went 13-3, when it wasn't then entire reason.

Of course it wasn't Favres doing that made the team go 13-3. Favre simply proved that he wasn't washed up like everyone had been saying for years. IMO, if Favre is guilty of anything, its that he's lost his leadership abilities on the field when things get tough. He implodes more frequently now than ever. When he has a solid running game to work with and the defense is taking care of business, he is solid. When that isn't happening, he panics and makes stupid plays which feed the opposing teams energy and momentum. As QB, he is responsible for not panicking and leading the team back from mistakes made earlier in the game. On that aspect, he's nowhere near as good as he was pre-2000 and it has cost the Packers and Jets important games. Wait a second, I thought I was a Favre lover, what am I doing criticizing him?

[RjRobb2]

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

IM just responding to your comment:



Which made it seem like Favre's play was the reason we went 13-3, when it wasn't then entire reason.

I do see your point as this is a discussion about Favre but I just wanted to clarify my statement.

It wasnt the entire reason and I never said it was. But, it was a big part of it. As was the play of Ryan Grant, Jennings, Barnett, and a number of other players. All of them played well last season and led the team to a 13-3 finish. But again, this discussion is about Favre.

[TXboomerang]

Originally Posted by gnab gib

The Jets have a washed-up "gunslinger" that lets your team down when you need him most,

Are you also forgetting that Rodgers threw game killing INT's against Houston and Jacksonville? Those games could have put the Packers season at 8-8. And that Rodgers was 0-8 in come from behind attempts?

I'm sure Rodgers will do okay, but lets not crown him golden boy just yet. The Cowboys tried that with Romo and 3 years later he has proven that he just can't get it done when it counts. Maybe one day Romo will do something when it counts, but so far he's put up Rodgers like stats while doing nothing when it counts. Favre has blown it when it counts his share of times, but he has also come through many times.

I hope next season is a big improvement for the Packers as a team and Rodgers gets his chance to show what he's made of when the games count most.

As for Favre, if he is interested in coming back, he needs to give his answer within 1 week of the Jets hiring a new coach. He needs to be at EVERY SINGLE PRACTICE, and he needs to mesh with his teammates better off the field. If he isn't committed to doing that, he needs to say goodbye. If he can do that, I could see him having a solid season.