Ravens@Steelers: the third round (team, superbowl, fan)

[Pitt Chick]

My goodness, James Harrison was held on what seemed like every other play... and practically nothing was called!

[Foreverking]

Originally Posted by Pitt Chick

My goodness, James Harrison was held on what seemed like every other play... and practically nothing was called!

you could call holding on nearly EVERY play in the NFL in every game ever played. I always see holding on the team playing my team. Funny how that works

[Dorian]

Originally Posted by Foreverking

you could call holding on nearly EVERY play in the NFL in every game ever played. I always see holding on the team playing my team. Funny how that works

Yes you could call holding on every play, but how Harrison gets held is on an entirely different level. Even the commentators and sportscasters say that Harrison is always getting held so it is one thing when fans of the team say he is getting held, but it is another thing when people that have to be neutral by contract say it also. I'm telling you now expect to see at least three holding calls against the Cardinals for holds on Harrison in the Superbowl.

[TexasGirl@Heart]

Originally Posted by pokrplr

Yep Hence the name: pokrplr A betting man at heart! I'll even bet ya the coin toss!!! TAILS

What was the toss...heads or tails? I missed it because I was driving to work.

[canibeyou]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA.... rep points for that!!!!

[TexasGirl@Heart]

Originally Posted by Foreverking

Man it looks like all you have to do is get 14 points on the Ravens and you win. Should be a high scoring event. Hope the refs don't give another one to Pittsburg like they did against Seattle. That game was a travesty

Originally Posted by eagle7

The refs didnt give that game to the steelers.The steelers outplayed the seahawks & won it fair & square.

Originally Posted by Foreverking

I hate the Sea hawks, but lets face it, The Steelers won because of bad officiating. I wanted to see the steelers win by a landslide, but they won only because the refs did a bad job. A very very tainted Superbowl. Maybe this year you guys can rectify that. I think your going to get upset by the Cards, as long as they can put a full game together.

OK--I am going to address this once and for all...

Exactly-- Right away--the loss is blamed on the zebras. The Seahawks have NO-ONE to blame but themselves for that SB loss! They missed 2 field goal attempts. They had plenty of chances with turnovers and couldn't get it done! The Steelers won that game fair and square!

[Foreverking]

Originally Posted by TexasGirl@Heart

OK--I am going to address this once and for all...

Exactly-- Right away--the loss is blamed on the zebras. The Seahawks have NO-ONE to blame but themselves for that SB loss! They missed 2 field goal attempts. They had plenty of chances with turnovers and couldn't get it done! The Steelers won that game fair and square!

Oh yeah, heres a list of "fair and square calls" from Wikipedia

• First Quarter, 2:08 left, score tied 0-0: Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck threw a 16-yard pass that wide receiver Darrell Jackson caught in the end zone, but the play was called back on an offensive pass interference call. Back Judge Bob Waggoner, a Pittsburgh native[7], flagged Jackson for pushing off Steelers safety Chris Hope. Seattle had to settle for a Josh Brown field goal. Critics claimed both Jackson and the defensive player were jostling for position and that officials should not have flagged either player. Michael Smith of ESPN wrote that "Jackson extended his arm, yes, but both players were fighting for position, and he didn't create any separation by doing so."[8] Adding to the controversy was the fact that Waggoner's flag was thrown several seconds after the play ended, which some saw as proof that Hope had lobbied for the call[9].

• Second Quarter, 2:00 left, Seahawks lead 3-0: On third down from the Seattle one-yard line, Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger took the snap, faked a handoff, and dove toward the left side of a pile along the goal-line before being hit by Seahawks linebacker D.D. Lewis. He then extended his arm that was holding the ball to the goal line, though it is unclear as to whether the extension was before or after he was officially down. After first raising one hand (as if to indicate that the quarterback was down), head linesman Mark Hittner raised a second arm to signal a touchdown. The play stood after review, to the considerable ire of Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren, who berated Leavy on the way to the locker room following the first half.[10] The play was hotly debated in the media between those who thought the play should have resulted in a fourth-down-and-inches situation[11] and those who thought the ball crossed the goal line.[12] Roethlisberger appeared on the The Late Show with David Letterman the day after the game and told the host that, immediately after the play, he had told Cowher, "I don’t think I got in," but that the team was "ready to go for it on fourth down anyway."[13] He later explained that he was referring to his initial impression only, and believes "the ball crossed the plane."[14]

• Fourth Quarter, 12:35 left, Steelers lead 14-10: Hasselbeck completed an 18-yard pass to tight end Jerramy Stevens at the Steelers 1-yard line. The play was nullified by a penalty against Seattle right tackle Sean Locklear for holding Pittsburgh linebacker Clark Haggans. Critics of the call dubbed it a "phantom hold,"[15] but others argued that, since NFL rules prohibit the encircling of a defender with hands or arms (i.e., "hooking") and since Locklear did appear briefly to have an arm around Haggans’ neck, the call was correct and not unusual.[16] In addition, there is a dispute whether Haggans was offsides during the play, but in slow motion, "it looks like he crossed the line right at the snap, not early". [16]

• Fourth Quarter, 10:54 left, Steelers lead 14-10: Three plays after the nullified pass to Stevens, Hasselbeck threw an interception to Pittsburgh cornerback Ike Taylor, who returned the ball 24 yards. A 15-yard personal foul was whistled against Hasselbeck for a "low block," advancing the Steelers to their own 44-yard line. During the American television broadcast, commentator Al Michaels said, "We think this was a bad call," suggesting that Hasselbeck was not blocking another Pittsburgh player but was instead making a low tackle on a ball carrier, which is legal. However, NFL Network announcer Rich Eisen in a column he wrote for nfl.com claims it was the right call by the rules, even if the rule itself may be defective.[17] Mike Pereira, the Director of Officiating for the NFL, has said that "the call was not correct" and "should not have been made."[18]

[OC Investor2]

Originally Posted by Foreverking

Oh yeah, heres a list of "fair and square calls" from Wikipedia

• First Quarter, 2:08 left, score tied 0-0: Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck threw a 16-yard pass that wide receiver Darrell Jackson caught in the end zone, but the play was called back on an offensive pass interference call. Back Judge Bob Waggoner, a Pittsburgh native[7], flagged Jackson for pushing off Steelers safety Chris Hope. Seattle had to settle for a Josh Brown field goal. Critics claimed both Jackson and the defensive player were jostling for position and that officials should not have flagged either player. Michael Smith of ESPN wrote that "Jackson extended his arm, yes, but both players were fighting for position, and he didn't create any separation by doing so."[8] Adding to the controversy was the fact that Waggoner's flag was thrown several seconds after the play ended, which some saw as proof that Hope had lobbied for the call[9].

• Second Quarter, 2:00 left, Seahawks lead 3-0: On third down from the Seattle one-yard line, Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger took the snap, faked a handoff, and dove toward the left side of a pile along the goal-line before being hit by Seahawks linebacker D.D. Lewis. He then extended his arm that was holding the ball to the goal line, though it is unclear as to whether the extension was before or after he was officially down. After first raising one hand (as if to indicate that the quarterback was down), head linesman Mark Hittner raised a second arm to signal a touchdown. The play stood after review, to the considerable ire of Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren, who berated Leavy on the way to the locker room following the first half.[10] The play was hotly debated in the media between those who thought the play should have resulted in a fourth-down-and-inches situation[11] and those who thought the ball crossed the goal line.[12] Roethlisberger appeared on the The Late Show with David Letterman the day after the game and told the host that, immediately after the play, he had told Cowher, "I don’t think I got in," but that the team was "ready to go for it on fourth down anyway."[13] He later explained that he was referring to his initial impression only, and believes "the ball crossed the plane."[14]

• Fourth Quarter, 12:35 left, Steelers lead 14-10: Hasselbeck completed an 18-yard pass to tight end Jerramy Stevens at the Steelers 1-yard line. The play was nullified by a penalty against Seattle right tackle Sean Locklear for holding Pittsburgh linebacker Clark Haggans. Critics of the call dubbed it a "phantom hold,"[15] but others argued that, since NFL rules prohibit the encircling of a defender with hands or arms (i.e., "hooking") and since Locklear did appear briefly to have an arm around Haggans’ neck, the call was correct and not unusual.[16] In addition, there is a dispute whether Haggans was offsides during the play, but in slow motion, "it looks like he crossed the line right at the snap, not early". [16]

• Fourth Quarter, 10:54 left, Steelers lead 14-10: Three plays after the nullified pass to Stevens, Hasselbeck threw an interception to Pittsburgh cornerback Ike Taylor, who returned the ball 24 yards. A 15-yard personal foul was whistled against Hasselbeck for a "low block," advancing the Steelers to their own 44-yard line. During the American television broadcast, commentator Al Michaels said, "We think this was a bad call," suggesting that Hasselbeck was not blocking another Pittsburgh player but was instead making a low tackle on a ball carrier, which is legal. However, NFL Network announcer Rich Eisen in a column he wrote for nfl.com claims it was the right call by the rules, even if the rule itself may be defective.[17] Mike Pereira, the Director of Officiating for the NFL, has said that "the call was not correct" and "should not have been made."[18]

Still crying 3 years later - a world's record for tear duct endurance.

[Foreverking]

Originally Posted by OC Investor2

Still crying 3 years later - a world's record for tear duct endurance.

actually I was cheering against the Seahawks, as mentioned b4. I just wanted point out that the steelers didnt win that, the refs gave them the game. Its a tainted superbowl to alot of folks. No tears here. Im a Bronco/Cards fan.

[Pitt Chick]

Okay...

so the Steelers beat Seattle because of the refs (which I don't believe but bear with me)...
but they beat Baltimore despite the refs.

Seattle should have sucked it up and done the same then!

My daughter now lives in Seattle, and as soon as any Seahawk fan knows she's from Pittsburgh, they start whining to her. It is getting old....