Fantasy Outlook @ QB for 2009 (drafted, pay, draft, league)

[jimboburnsy]

Who's the premium talent, Who is obsolescent, Who is your darkhorse?

I think Brady will start quietly and then settle into great fantasy production around week 3.

Manning will have re-focused over the offseason and will come out shooting.

No statistical analysis, just gut: Brees has an off-year.

Hasselbeck has big numbers- lots of yards, lots of TD's, lots of INT's.

Cutler is going to throw 2:1 INT's to TD's.

The Geriatric QB's: Favre in Minnesota is not a viable option. If Warner plays, he is.

I'm going to keep an eye on Trent Edwards.

[Randomdude]

For a darkhorse, check out Kyle Orton in Denver. Check out the facts.

Denver did NOT draft a QB higher then the 6th round. This makes Orton the defacto starter, with the only real competition coming from Chris Simms.

Denver DID draft two starting offensive skill positions in the first two rounds, Moreno, and Quinn. They also signed Lamont Jordan, Correll Buckhalter, JJ Arrington, and Jabar Gaffney, and lost nobody of value on offense in free agency. These new players are going to be added to the second best offense in the league.

Orton was never awful with the Bears, dispite having tight ends and running backs as his top receiving options with the Bears.

I dont know about you, but I see Orton having a career year.

[Lancet71]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

Who's the premium talent, Who is obsolescent, Who is your darkhorse?

I think Brady will start quietly and then settle into great fantasy production around week 3.

Manning will have re-focused over the offseason and will come out shooting.

No statistical analysis, just gut: Brees has an off-year.

Hasselbeck has big numbers- lots of yards, lots of TD's, lots of INT's.

Cutler is going to throw 2:1 INT's to TD's.

The Geriatric QB's: Favre in Minnesota is not a viable option. If Warner plays, he is.

I'm going to keep an eye on Trent Edwards.

Manning usually a safe bet.Brady might have a tougher year because of a tougher division then previously and a tougher schedule. Cutler could dominate in Chicago.Watch Pennington as well as a sleeper.They've upgraded their offense and drafted a slash type player(like Kordell Stewart).The wildcat will run wild this year.I would also avoid the Dallas team at all cost considering their losses and Washington's gains.

[Randomdude]

Originally Posted by Lancet71

Manning usually a safe bet.Brady might have a tougher year because of a tougher division then previously and a tougher schedule. Cutler could dominate in Chicago.Watch Pennington as well as a sleeper.They've upgraded their offense and drafted a slash type player(like Kordell Stewart).The wildcat will run wild this year.I would also avoid the Dallas team at all cost considering their losses and Washington's gains.

Cutler will have a fraction of his production from Denver. He went from having two high level wide receivers (Royal and Marshall), to having a running back as his best receiver.

Good Luck with that. Id take Orton over him.

[UICJohn]

Originally Posted by Randomdude

Cutler will have a fraction of his production from Denver. He went from having two high level wide receivers (Royal and Marshall), to having a running back as his best receiver.

Good Luck with that. Id take Orton over him.

And I will take Jay Cutler as my quarterback over Orton so I guess we're happy. Before Jay Cutler was the starting quarterback, what were Brandon Marshall's stats? And if you watched any Bears games last year, cornerbacks knew Devin Hester was just going deep and he still burned them. But you know what? Orton couldn't deliver the deep ball. Add to that Greg Olson and Matt Forte and I think you're severely underestimaging the Bears offesne this season.

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by Lancet71

Manning usually a safe bet.Brady might have a tougher year because of a tougher division then previously and a tougher schedule. Cutler could dominate in Chicago.Watch Pennington as well as a sleeper.They've upgraded their offense and drafted a slash type player(like Kordell Stewart).The wildcat will run wild this year.I would also avoid the Dallas team at all cost considering their losses and Washington's gains.

Totally agree re: Dallas. Not only is Romo losing his #1 (among other things) but he appears to be one of those guys that does not handle celebrity very well. I don't think he can focus on football during a rebuilding year while he's on the cover of US Weekly.

I don't know about Cutler... That's pretty risky this year (not to say that it couldn't pay out, of course). I have to concede that its actually a good point about Marshall prior to Cutler, but Cutler is more of a West Coast QB than a deep baller. He does have a potential good hook-up at TE, but I think the equation is a bit unbalanced as is. I'm concerned that the sophomore slump is going to hit Forte pretty hard. If Cutler et al can't get pressure off the running game he's dead in the water. To me, Cutler has a lot of downside to be taken before you have you have what you need at QB, RB and at least one WR in the bag.

Pennington should be a good #2 or trade leverage option for people in QB trouble. I wouldn't be comfortable drafting him as a starter, just too many ???'s. He was available as a free-agent way too late in the season last year.

[Randomdude]

Originally Posted by UICJohn

And I will take Jay Cutler as my quarterback over Orton so I guess we're happy. Before Jay Cutler was the starting quarterback, what were Brandon Marshall's stats? And if you watched any Bears games last year, cornerbacks knew Devin Hester was just going deep and he still burned them. But you know what? Orton couldn't deliver the deep ball. Add to that Greg Olson and Matt Forte and I think you're severely underestimaging the Bears offesne this season.

1. Brandon Marshall never had anyone other then Cutler as his QB as a starting receiver. If you are trying to say that Cutler made Marshall, you are kidding yourself. Marshall is a freaking beast.

2. Do you even read what you are saying? Greg Olson and Matt Forte? Your only real receiving threats are a tight end and a running back, and Cutlers stats will suffer heavily for that.

[Randomdude]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

I don't know about Cutler... That's pretty risky this year (not to say that it couldn't pay out, of course). I have to concede that its actually a good point about Marshall prior to Cutler,

Thats not really a good point at all. Marshall was the third receiver in 2006 (his rookie year), the only year of Cutlers career that he did not start every game.

Marshall and Cutler both became full time starters in 2007, and Marshall has been insane since.

[UICJohn]

Originally Posted by Randomdude

1. Brandon Marshall never had anyone other then Cutler as his QB as a starting receiver. If you are trying to say that Cutler made Marshall, you are kidding yourself. Marshall is a freaking beast.

2. Do you even read what you are saying? Greg Olson and Matt Forte? Your only real receiving threats are a tight end and a running back, and Cutlers stats will suffer heavily for that.

1. Fairly sure that during Marshall's rookie year, Cutler was not the full time starting quarterback. And while I'm not saying that Cutler made Marshall, I am saying that has something to do with it and if you don't think so that's pretty ignorant.

2. Do you even read what I am saying? That was following what I said about Devin Hester. If you watched any Bears game, you'd see that Devin Hester was making big strides as a receiver last year. Add to that he is a deep ball threat every single time they run a play. However, Orton's arm strength is a minus. Deep baller or not, Cutler's arm strength is much better. Hester would constantly be underthrown and have to stop and come back for the ball. Doubt that will be the case now.

3) Not too worried about a sophomore slump with Forte but I guess it's always a thought. But with an improved offensive line and Kevin Jones given a 2 year deal and probably more reps, I think Forte will have more room to run and get a little more rest. Add to that, with a passing game that's actually a threat, things should open up pretty significantly for him.

[Randomdude]

Originally Posted by UICJohn

1. Fairly sure that during Marshall's rookie year, Cutler was not the full time starting quarterback. And while I'm not saying that Cutler made Marshall, I am saying that has something to do with it and if you don't think so that's pretty ignorant.

Cutler played 5 games as a rookie, and Marshall started 1 in 2006 which was both of their rookie year. Marshalls limited stats can be contributed to the fact that he was the THIRD receiver that year after Javon Walker and Rod Smith, not the fact that Jake Plummer was the QB most of the season.

Originally Posted by UICJohn

2. Do you even read what I am saying? That was following what I said about Devin Hester. If you watched any Bears game, you'd see that Devin Hester was making big strides as a receiver last year. Add to that he is a deep ball threat every single time they run a play. However, Orton's arm strength is a minus. Deep baller or not, Cutler's arm strength is much better. Hester would constantly be underthrown and have to stop and come back for the ball. Doubt that will be the case now.

I did read it, and passed right over it, because its nonsense. Devin Hester is a third receiver masquerading as a number one. His job isnt even secure.