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Old 02-08-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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Where's Tee Martin today?
In obsucurity. That said, a guy who wasnt that good could do what Manning couldnt.... hmmmm
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Old 02-08-2010, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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In obsucurity. That said, a guy who wasnt that good could do what Manning couldnt.... hmmmm
Has Tee Martin won a Super Bowl?
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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You can't argue that Manning is a great quarterback, but best ever????? No. But he did get a team to the superbowl that had no running game. That says a lot about his talent.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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One game does not determine how great a player is even if it is a Super Bowl. It takes an entire team to win a championship, not one player. How many dropped passes did his receivers have?
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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He is now 9-9 in the post season and I dont care what anyone says, when he threw that pick six the Colts were still in that ball game. DOwn by 7 with the might Manning on the field, NO ONE would have said that game was over. Bottom line is you can toot his horn all you want for his awesome regular seasons but the dude is average in the post seasons and the numbers dont lie.

You're really going to blame the loss on Peyton for that one interception when his receivers dropped key passes all throughout the game and his top receiver was practically invisible and couldnt get open to save his life?

He isn't 9-9 in the postseason. The Colts are 9-9 in the postseason with him as quarterback. Football is a team game. It takes a team to win and it takes a team to lose.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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You're really going to blame the loss on Peyton for that one interception when his receivers dropped key passes all throughout the game and his top receiver was practically invisible and couldnt get open to save his life?

He isn't 9-9 in the postseason. The Colts are 9-9 in the postseason with him as quarterback. Football is a team game. It takes a team to win and it takes a team to lose.
Really? His record as a starting QB in playoff games is 9-9, team game or not he is the QB. He gets the glory when they win, he can deal with the backlash when they lose.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:44 AM
 
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One game does not determine how great a player is even if it is a Super Bowl. It takes an entire team to win a championship, not one player. How many dropped passes did his receivers have?

Your right 1 game doesnt...how does 18 post season games work for you then?

In those games he has a 9-9 record, I'd say that gives you a good enough sampling. If not look at his college career and tell me how he did in national championship games.
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Old 02-09-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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Your right 1 game doesnt...how does 18 post season games work for you then?

In those games he has a 9-9 record, I'd say that gives you a good enough sampling. If not look at his college career and tell me how he did in national championship games.
Good points, even more so when you factor in Brady's 14-4 record in 18 post season games, which includes 3 rings, even with losing a complete season to injury.

Peyton is a great QB, no question, but he's clearly not even the best of this decade, let alone all-time.
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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He gets the glory when they win, he can deal with the backlash when they lose.
I recall many saying that Addai or Rhodes deserved the MVP award for SB 41, with major props going to the Indy D as well. Do you remember Manning's podium speech that night?
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Your right 1 game doesnt...how does 18 post season games work for you then?

In those games he has a 9-9 record, I'd say that gives you a good enough sampling. If not look at his college career and tell me how he did in national championship games.

Alright, I will be like you and pretend there is only one man on a football team for the sake of this discussion since you seem to ignore that fact.

Considering that he has played in 18 playoff games in a 12 year period is pretty damn good much less to win half of those. Several entire teams in the NFL, have not won a single playoff game in that time or even made it to the playoffs.

9-9 record in the playoffs is actually a decent record.

Regardless, it takes a team to win games. It takes a great team and a nearly perfect 3-4 game run to win a Super Bowl. It takes a team of 52 guys playing nearly flawless football to get that trophy. Manning or any QB could throw every single pass perfectly and still not win. If you defense isnt making stops, your receivers arent catching balls, your kicker is missing kicks, your special teams units allows an onside kick, or any other number of mistakes, you arent going to win.
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