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Old 03-25-2016, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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I'd love to see a new league in large metro areas without an NFL team......
With the move of the Rams to Los Angeles, there really are no large metropolitan areas left in the United States without a team. Now, the largest team-less metro is St. Louis. Just to get to 12 teams - which I would think would be the minimum for a new league - you'd have to go as follows:

#18 - St. Louis
#23 - Portland
#24 - San Antonio
#25 - Sacramento
#26 - Orlando
#30 - Las Vegas
#31 - Columbus
#33 - Austin
#35 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk
#37 - Providence
#38 - Milwaukee
#40 - Memphis

And that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. Greater Memphis, for example, is even smaller than greater Jacksonville.

Other problems abound. Sacramento is less than 100 miles from the Bay Area, which has two teams. San Antonio and Austin are only 80 miles from each other. Orlando is less than 100 miles from Tampa. The NFL won't touch Vegas. Providence is 20 miles from Gillette Stadium. This would push the league into even smaller metros, like Louisville and Birmingham.

There's simply no way such a league could compete. The NFL is simply too large and powerful to ever face another truly competitive rival league. The AFL of the 1960s was the last to do so successfully. The WFL and USFL completely failed. Today, there's no way you'd get ownership groups willing to gamble the necessary money on the dream of eventually forcing a merger with the NFL (which is really the point of rival leagues).
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Old 03-25-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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With the move of the Rams to Los Angeles, there really are no large metropolitan areas left in the United States without a team. Now, the largest team-less metro is St. Louis. Just to get to 12 teams - which I would think would be the minimum for a new league - you'd have to go as follows:

#18 - St. Louis
#23 - Portland
#24 - San Antonio
#25 - Sacramento
#26 - Orlando
#30 - Las Vegas
#31 - Columbus
#33 - Austin
#35 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk
#37 - Providence
#38 - Milwaukee
#40 - Memphis

And that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. Greater Memphis, for example, is even smaller than greater Jacksonville.

Other problems abound. Sacramento is less than 100 miles from the Bay Area, which has two teams. San Antonio and Austin are only 80 miles from each other. Orlando is less than 100 miles from Tampa. The NFL won't touch Vegas. Providence is 20 miles from Gillette Stadium. This would push the league into even smaller metros, like Louisville and Birmingham.

There's simply no way such a league could compete. The NFL is simply too large and powerful to ever face another truly competitive rival league. The AFL of the 1960s was the last to do so successfully. The WFL and USFL completely failed. Today, there's no way you'd get ownership groups willing to gamble the necessary money on the dream of eventually forcing a merger with the NFL (which is really the point of rival leagues).

it is my hope that when the NFL expands to Europe, they start with Manchester to put those football teams out of business too.


All Hail King Roger!!!
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Old 03-25-2016, 03:27 PM
 
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With the move of the Rams to Los Angeles, there really are no large metropolitan areas left in the United States without a team. Now, the largest team-less metro is St. Louis. Just to get to 12 teams - which I would think would be the minimum for a new league - you'd have to go as follows:

#18 - St. Louis
#23 - Portland
#24 - San Antonio
#25 - Sacramento
#26 - Orlando
#30 - Las Vegas
#31 - Columbus
#33 - Austin
#35 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk
#37 - Providence
#38 - Milwaukee
#40 - Memphis

And that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. Greater Memphis, for example, is even smaller than greater Jacksonville.

Other problems abound. Sacramento is less than 100 miles from the Bay Area, which has two teams. San Antonio and Austin are only 80 miles from each other. Orlando is less than 100 miles from Tampa. The NFL won't touch Vegas. Providence is 20 miles from Gillette Stadium. This would push the league into even smaller metros, like Louisville and Birmingham.

There's simply no way such a league could compete. The NFL is simply too large and powerful to ever face another truly competitive rival league. The AFL of the 1960s was the last to do so successfully. The WFL and USFL completely failed. Today, there's no way you'd get ownership groups willing to gamble the necessary money on the dream of eventually forcing a merger with the NFL (which is really the point of rival leagues).
If you make it a Spring league, as the USFL was.. It has a chance. But, some of the USFL owners (notably one who is now running for president) were more interested in getting the NFL to absorb the USFL and give NFL franchises to some of the teams.

Once the lawsuit fell flat. It was over. But if they hadn't depended on that.. Maybe they had a chance. At least, some of the teams did. Because they were getting quality players.. Unlike the XFL that was just full of rejects, has beens and never was-es. The XFL had credibility problems, too, because of who owned it.

I agree with you that COMPETITION with the NFL will never work. Coopetition, however.. That could work. The problem is that likely the NFL would never agree to even coopetition. They would try to destroy the new league, even if they weren't competitors or trying to be competitors.
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Old 03-29-2016, 09:51 AM
 
Location: God's Country
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Does anyone remember back in the 80's the USFL (United States Football League)

Teams
Arizona Wranglers
Birmingham Stallions
Boston Breakers
Chicago Blitz
Denver Gold
Houston Gamblers
Jacksonville Bulls
Jersey Generals
LA Express
Memphis Showboats
Michigan Panthers
Oakland Invaders
Oklahoma Outlaws
Orlando Renegades
Pittsburg Maulers
San Antonio Gunslingers
Tampa Bay Bandits
Washington Federals

Notable Players...Kelvin Bryant, Joe Cribbs, Marcus Dupree, Doug Flutie, Bobby Hebert, Craig James, Jim Kelley, Mike Rozier, Ricky Sanders, Herschel Walker etc...

I'd love to see a new league in large metro areas without an NFL team......

Wait a minute .... didn't Baltimore have a team and win a championship?
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Old 03-29-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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Wait a minute .... didn't Baltimore have a team and win a championship?

Calvert is right. In the final season the Philadelphia Stars played their final games in Baltimore. There was a huge issue with the Stars playing their games at "The Vet" in Philadelphia, basically that being the MLB's Philadelphia Phillies park, so much so that eventually they had to use Franklin Field in Philadelphia for some of their games. Franklin Field had been the Eagles home for a dozen years or so, then when Veterans Stadium was completed the Eagles moved there. IIRC that would be 1971.
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Old 03-29-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Wait a minute .... didn't Baltimore have a team and win a championship?
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Calvert is right. In the final season the Philadelphia Stars played their final games in Baltimore. There was a huge issue with the Stars playing their games at "The Vet" in Philadelphia, basically that being the MLB's Philadelphia Phillies park, so much so that eventually they had to use Franklin Field in Philadelphia for some of their games. Franklin Field had been the Eagles home for a dozen years or so, then when Veterans Stadium was completed the Eagles moved there. IIRC that would be 1971.
They were known as the Baltimore Stars.
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Old 03-29-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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Sparky.. there was a good 30 for 30 documentary a while back, Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL?, that documented the league's rise & fall. It covered Trump's relationship within the league. I thought it was interesting.
One of my favorite aspects of the movie was Jim Kelly (Houston Gambler turned Buffalo Bill) sharing his USFL memories. He was proud of their legacy.

Good memories.., and it took testes to challenge a giant like the NFL.

I think it was on within the last day or two.

It will probably resurface again with Trump in the media these days.
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Old 03-30-2016, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Here or There
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Ah, the memories...I actually watched a good number of USFL games. I do think they should have been a little more patient and not expanded so quickly among other reasons for their eventual demise...

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Originally Posted by Six Foot Three View Post
Does anyone remember back in the 80's the USFL (United States Football League)

Teams
Arizona Wranglers
Birmingham Stallions
Boston Breakers
Chicago Blitz
Denver Gold
Houston Gamblers
Jacksonville Bulls
Jersey Generals
LA Express
Memphis Showboats
Michigan Panthers
Oakland Invaders
Oklahoma Outlaws
Orlando Renegades
Pittsburg Maulers
San Antonio Gunslingers
Tampa Bay Bandits
Washington Federals

Notable Players...Kelvin Bryant, Joe Cribbs, Marcus Dupree, Doug Flutie, Bobby Hebert, Craig James, Jim Kelley, Mike Rozier, Ricky Sanders, Herschel Walker etc...

I'd love to see a new league in large metro areas without an NFL team......
Of these metros mentioned, how many of them have Arena League teams?
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Old 03-30-2016, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Ah, the memories...I actually watched a good number of USFL games. I do think they should have been a little more patient and not expanded so quickly among other reasons for their eventual demise...



Of these metros mentioned, how many of them have Arena League teams?
There are eight teams in the Arena Football League, if you watch Arena football.

There will be a Washington DC team for next year.

Current teams are located in Jacksonville, Orlando, Philadelphia, Tampa, Phoenix, Cleveland, Anaheim though the team is called the Los Angeles Kiss, and Portland Oregon.
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Old 03-31-2016, 08:42 PM
 
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I miss the USFL, I was a season ticket holder for the Boston Breakers the one season they lasted in Boston, was nice having a team actually play in the city as I was living in Boston at the time...

It was exciting brand of football
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