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Old 03-30-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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You really don't understand our judicial system, do you? It is up to the prosecutors to PROVE guilt. All the defense has to do is DEFEND--in other words, shoot holes in the prosecutors story. They DEFEND, but DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE INNOCENCE, JUST SHOW DOUBT in the story!
Caps lock broken? It's merely a choice of words, by shooting holes in the prosecution, they are giving evidence of his innocence. I never said they have to prove his innocence as a focal point, but by defending his case, they...will...present...evidence. I never said he was guilty until proven innocent.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:32 PM
 
Location: High Plains
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You're a drunk, Ben! Get in a rehab program ASAP, and save whatever dignity you have left...if any.
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Old 03-30-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA and Washington, DC
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I can agree with everything you wrote except this^^^^!

As a father and a brother, that makes me sick that you would say that. NO WOMAN deserves to be sexually assualted regardless of thier reputation by a man....NONE!
I wasn't implying that these girls deserved to be assualted. I'm just saying that a negative reputation can make some people hard to convince. If Ben did it, he should be severely punished. (though we know he likely won't be, regardless) Who are you more likely to believe when they say that the intercourse they had was non-consenual? The most famous loose woman in town or the average girl?
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh--Home of the 6 time Super Bowl Champions!
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Caps lock broken? It's merely a choice of words, by shooting holes in the prosecution, they are giving evidence of his innocence. I never said they have to prove his innocence as a focal point, but by defending his case, they...will...present...evidence. I never said he was guilty until proven innocent.
Well it doesn't seem like your grasping or understanding our judicial system very well--reason for the caps!!! You have said "Don't they have to prove his innocence?" The answer is NO!! It is up to the prosecutors to prove his guilt!!! If they can't --the case is closed--verdict = innocent!!!
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh--Home of the 6 time Super Bowl Champions!
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What? I agree that everyone should holster their pitchforks when it comes to Ben for now, but, what? People constantly are going to court to prove they did nothing wrong, someone who is fighting a traffic ticket, the burden is on them to prove they are innocent. Isn't a criminal defenders job defined as, proving people innocent? It's not like they just kick back with their feet up while the prosecuting attorney tries to prove them guilty. And why can't you prove a negative, someone accuses me of robbing a liquor store, the security cameras shows someone else doing it, doesn't that prove the negative that I was not there as my accuser suggests?
Here is what you said!! Again--the answer is no!!
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh--Home of the 6 time Super Bowl Champions!
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The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which seems to be: "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges." This is a statement of a version of the presumption of innocence that underpins the assessment of evidence in some legal systems
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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Here is what you said!! Again--the answer is no!!
My example, that you bolded, was a traffic ticket, I have only been to traffic court once, so I am no expert, but I showed up and had to state my case to the judge why I felt I was innocent, the cop just handed in my ticket, I can tell you, it was on me to convince him that I was innocent--at least as a civilian thats how I felt. Obviously I will admit thats not relevant to the Ben situation, but it was what I was refering to. I am guessing traffic court is different then a high profile criminal case, so I clearly used a poor example, with less then professional legal verbage. I'm not a legal expert. I apologize and will let the experts, or googlers do the rest.
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Old 03-30-2010, 07:11 PM
 
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I apologize and will let the experts, or googlers do the rest.
Man I was thinking the exact same thing... LMAO

I will rep you if I can!
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Old 03-30-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh--Home of the 6 time Super Bowl Champions!
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The burden of proof is often associated with the Latin maxim semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit, the best translation of which seems to be: "the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges." This is a statement of a version of the presumption of innocence that underpins the assessment of evidence in some legal systems
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My example, that you bolded, was a traffic ticket, I have only been to traffic court once, so I am no expert, but I showed up and had to state my case to the judge why I felt I was innocent, the cop just handed in my ticket, I can tell you, it was on me to convince him that I was innocent--at least as a civilian thats how I felt. Obviously I will admit thats not relevant to the Ben situation, but it was what I was refering to. I am guessing traffic court is different then a high profile criminal case, so I clearly used a poor example, with less then professional legal verbage. I'm not a legal expert. I apologize and will let the experts, or googlers do the rest.
Yes, I did google the definition of "burden of proof" for you, so you could read it in black and white. However, I do understand "burden of proof" and which team has to "prove" something in a court of law.

You are right on one thing--using traffic court as an example is poor.

A few of you are so quick to point out when I say something wrong or misguided but when the shoe is on the other foot--y'all get a bit testy now, don't you!?!?

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Old 03-30-2010, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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Big Ben is being treated with kid gloves because his little sister, playing basketball for Oklahoma, is hot
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