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Well, here is one woman's (born in Germany, lives in California) opinion....
Women everywhere have bouts of low self esteem. Some have low self esteem all the time, some rarely...but all women (and men for that matter) have their moments. I have noticed that a lot of it depends on the friends the women keep... my girlfriends are AMAZING. Supportive, no drama ( weird, I know) and always there when you need a shoulder to cry on. I've also noticed that women who don't have that 'womanly' support system tend to put a lot more of their self esteem worth on who they're dating, or if they come out ahead in competition with their other women 'friends'. Who's prettier, who gets the most men, who makes the most money etc etc.
As for it being an American phenomenon, not so much. I'd have to say that women around the world tend to have the same self esteem issues. Except Brazilian women. They make me want to be a more confident woman
So, all people are the same? No, sorry, they're not. We're not mass-produced robots. Furthermore, all people are not the same forall people, and that in no way is an indication of snobbery. People are not interchangeable. You cannot simply swap out Braunwyn's husband (for example) for some random guy, who is "healthy and can do some sort of work" because "nobody is better than the other", and expect her to not care.
Exactly! I don't know how anybody could say ''we are all the same.'' That is a generalization.
Well, here is one woman's (born in Germany, lives in California) opinion....
Women everywhere have bouts of low self esteem. Some have low self esteem all the time, some rarely...but all women (and men for that matter) have their moments. I have noticed that a lot of it depends on the friends the women keep... my girlfriends are AMAZING. Supportive, no drama ( weird, I know) and always there when you need a shoulder to cry on. I've also noticed that women who don't have that 'womanly' support system tend to put a lot more of their self esteem worth on who they're dating, or if they come out ahead in competition with their other women 'friends'. Who's prettier, who gets the most men, who makes the most money etc etc.
As for it being an American phenomenon, not so much. I'd have to say that women around the world tend to have the same self esteem issues. Except Brazilian women. They make me want to be a more confident woman
Good point! Upbringing also has a lot to do with it.
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Honest question, I don't know if women in other countries have the same problem but I have never dated or met a woman in this country who did not suffer from low self esteem, regardless of social status, family upbringing, accomplishments, etc
I have a coworker who is a pretty attractive girl in her early 20's, we went to the Iowa State Fair one night and she told me that she was very self conscious about her face(she has some very small acne scars) and her height (she is about 6'1"). She has no boyfriend and always complains about not being able to find one
I have never had a girlfriend who did not have low self esteem or was happy with herself, what the hell is wrong with our women??
I know many women who have a healthy self-image. Many. But there are a lot who don't, yes.
I dunno. Could it have anything to do with how society--especially today's and particularly the 30 and under segment--devalues women who are over a certain weight, over a certain age, have dated too many men, haven't dated enough men, who have children, who don't look like super models, and/or under a certain income level?
The message is, no matter what you do or don't do, you're not going to measure up.
Exactly! I don't know how anybody could say ''we are all the same.'' That is a generalization.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.
And all women are created equal also.
You're pretty much interchangeable. There is no need to have one relationship in your life, for the rest of your life. Because there's plenty of people who are just as good as whoever you've got.
While a chilling statement such as "all women are interchangeable" isn't surprising from you, the Declaration of Independence refers to people being equal under the law. That doesn't mean that all people are the same. Some people are more attractive or wealthier or more talented or more intelligent or taller or fatter or myriad other qualities that set them apart from others.
All people are the same. One man is very much like another. He puts his pants on the same way other guys do. People are NOT all that special, really. Our DNA isn't really all that different from one another--or from an ape, for that matter.
I know many women who have a healthy self-image. Many. But there are a lot who don't, yes.
I dunno. Could it have anything to do with how society--especially today's and particularly the 30 and under segment--devalues women who are over a certain weight, over a certain age, have dated too many men, haven't dated enough men, who have children, who don't look like super models, and/or under a certain income level?
The message is, no matter what you do or don't do, you're not going to measure up.
Those are valid points, but shouldn't women stand up to it?
Isn't true confidence having good self-worth in the midst of adversity? The women's magazines such as Cosmo, Marie Claire, etc. still get sales, and often perpetuate the attitudes that contribute to low self-esteem. As there are a large section of women who feel aggrieved at the common attitudes, then shouldn't women simply not buy such media?
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Those are valid points, but shouldn't women stand up to it?
Isn't true confidence having good self-worth in the midst of adversity? The women's magazines such as Cosmo, Marie Claire, etc. still get sales, and often perpetuate the attitudes that contribute to low self-esteem. As there are a large section of women who feel aggrieved at the common attitudes, then shouldn't women simply not buy such media?
Absolutely. But the effects of it--ageism and such--have a direct impact on lives; not being able to get certain jobs because you're too old, not pretty enough, etc. That's difficult to just overcome by self esteem alone because it's all relative, I think.
I think the issue is to challenge the attitudes, which are put forward by and large by the media. To use examples, racism was lessened greatly by the challenging of attitudes, as was sexism and homophobia now.
I heard Tyra Banks quit her show to start a charity aimed at female bodily self-acceptance, and this is something that women in contemporary US society need.
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