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Old 11-01-2010, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I live in Las Vegas and gambling is a part of my life. I'm surrounded by it everywhere. Even the grocery stores and gas stations have slot machines. I see it every day and couldn't completely avoid it if I wanted to. If I want to go to a movie or even bowling, I probably have to go to a casino to do it.

I enjoy gambling as long as it's just for entertainment. A hot evening is spending $20 each and grabbing a 2 for 1 buffet. It's fun and harmless and I don't get to do it all that often. I budget for entertainment and that's the amount I spend. And once a month or so, we cash in the change jar too. Every now and then we get comps and sometimes we use them....but we know they aren't really free. If we get lucky and win a significant amount of money, half goes to the entertainment fund and half goes to other things. Sometimes we go for 3 or 4 weeks without even walking into a casino. Every once in a while we go through a winning streak that funds more gambling. I once hit 5 royal flushes in 2 weeks! But after a while, the casino is more boring than exciting.

I don't see the above as being a problem. I don't gamble my bill money and I have no debts. It's just a harmless diversion. An evening's entertainment. But I would have more money if I never gambled at all. That's just the truth.

I know people who are addicted to gambling. I'm not really sure it's the actual gambling they are addicted to, I think it's the excitement. Bingo, strangely enough, seems to be one of the most likely to addict games. I've seen people lose the mortgage payment to bingo. Sports betting is another bad one.

I have a simple system for judging the 'addiction factor'. If you will let me down and disappoint me because of gambling...you are too much into it for me!
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Old 11-01-2010, 04:26 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I am a casual poker player who plays often enough that the concept does not alarm me. I am great in home games, winning tournaments regularly. Last summer I was on vacation in DR and decided to play with the guys who play for a living. The exchange rate made it inexpensive so I went for it. Those guys spanked me, it was a whole different game they were playing. I was as helpless as a child playing scrabble against an adult. It is NOT the same thing as sports betting . Yes a person can develop a problem with poker too, but understand it isn't the same thing as spinning a roulette wheel or filling in college brackets. There is real skill involved.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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I am a casual poker player who plays often enough that the concept does not alarm me. I am great in home games, winning tournaments regularly. Last summer I was on vacation in DR and decided to play with the guys who play for a living. The exchange rate made it inexpensive so I went for it. Those guys spanked me, it was a whole different game they were playing. I was as helpless as a child playing scrabble against an adult. It is NOT the same thing as sports betting . Yes a person can develop a problem with poker too, but understand it isn't the same thing as spinning a roulette wheel or filling in college brackets. There is real skill involved.

Good post. When people dismiss poker as a luck based game that takes no real skill I explain to them that poker is actually much closer to chess than it is to roulette or slot machines. A good poker player needs to think about not only their cards but what their opponents have, what he or she thinks their opponents think they have, what to do if certain cards come on the flop, turn or river, how the table views them, etc....

So long as he has control of his emotions and practices good bankroll management the good player is ALWAYS going to beat the bad player over the long haul.
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:28 AM
 
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Gamblers are gambling with their money , risking it on the line no matter WHAT kind of gambler they call themselves :

Whether you be : professional , compulsive , recreational , or tourist .

You are taking money you earned and handing it over to a bookie , an on-line gambling institution ( which are illegal in the US ), a sports book , a betting lounge , a guy on the street playing cards in the alley .

You kid yourself and call yourself a professional or a great player but unless you are home playing Monopoly *( no real money exchanged ) you are RISKING your money. No sugar coating here , okay.

And the TIDE TURNS , if it takes a week or a month , it turns and you go down . Thats why so many guys who come to vegas to be professional poker players, BOMB .

Play for free , play for plastic tokens , play for dinner and don't use money and I won't think you have a problem.

The Buy In on some of these games range from $ 200 to $ 10,000 depending on the game.

If you are regularly betting you have the fever and are getting high off the win.

Do you tell you buddies " Hey Joe, I lost $ 350 this week , wow ! "

No, you don't . You only tell your friends what you WON.

Had a friend . Poker player. If he was quiet you knew he LOST.

If he yakked for an hour straight about the poker game , he would tell you he won the Pot for $ 200 .

Play occasionally but to play thinking you can support yourself then if that is TRUE : Why would vegas have Poker Rooms if ALL players WON ?
HAHA, ok you obviously know nothing about poker. Poker is not a game of chance, it is a game of skill -- even the federal government has acknowledged that, which is why for professional poker players (and yes, there are many, who make a living every year playing poker!) are allowed to take tax-deducations related to losses and trip expenses and everything else related to their chosen profession.

You're also completely wrong and mistaken, again, you know nothing about poker, because most of the professionals never stake themselves in a game. You need to learn what you're talking about -- and learn how to write properly -- before you go spouting off about subjects against experts, when you're an amateur. The best professionals never pay their own entries, why would they? If I knew I could stake Phil Ivey $10,000 to play in a tournament, and I'd share the winnings 50-50 with him, I'd do it in a second. Sure, I most likely will lose the $10,000, but if he finishes in the money I'm going to make out well and my expected value of that investment, i.e. expected return on investment, is going to be high. If I staked Phil Ivey in every tournament he played in 2011, I would make a LOT of money, haha. That's the nature of professional gambling -- the best players will win in the long run.

In fact, what you just said is exactly the opposite of reality. Over the long run, a good player WILL ALWAYS WIN. Poker could be said to be 70% luck in a given day, maybe 25% luck over a week, 10% over a month, and 1% or less over a year. A winning player will win money every year if they play consistently. I'm not even a great player and I've played online for 8 years (no, nobody cares if it's "illegal" -- I can do what I please with my own money, the government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot do in our homes with our money, that is not a power the constitution grants them), and I still make money every year, consistently. Not a lot, because I don't play with a lot, but I grind out a small chunk of change each year I play because I'm better than the other players on average.

You don't have to beat the house, again, if you knew the first thing about poker you'd know that. You don't play the house, you play the players. If you're a better than average player just barely, you'll break even because of the house rake (fee for hosting the games). If you're a good player you'll make a modest profit. If you're a very good player you'll make a nice profit. And if you're a great player, you will put yourself in position to win a lot of money.

There wouldn't be professional poker players if it was just luck, obviously. But in fact there are hundreds if not thousands of professional poker players nationwide who make a living, some a very good living, doing nothing but traveling the country playing poker, just like any other skilled game whether that's golf, hockey, baseball, basketball, bowling, etc.
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:43 PM
 
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I love golf but it costs me well over $1,000 per year to play

I love working out but going to the gym, the extra food and cloths costs me money.

I love playing guitar and in my twenties was in a very active band that played out every weekend and recorded a CD. Don't even ask me how much I spent on that hobby.

I feel very, very lucky to have a hobby at which I can make extra money at and enjoy. With today's economy I could be laid off tomorrow. I like knowing that if I had to, poker could help keep me afloat financially until I found another job.
Thank you dubya for a respectful answer back and answering the questions
I have no doubt that you are managing this well. My concern was for those who do not. I don't wonder if you personally have a handle on this because I think you do .
This also applies to a few others here that answered with humor and kindness here.

Regarding On-line Poker playing , I found a site with 107 Horror stories of people getting ripped off from overseas companies that run On-line Poker.

Since I am not allowed to post the names of the bad guy poker companies here on CD , if anyone cares to get the names of them, they can DM me.

The reason Nevada has the Nevada Gaming Commission is to protect the players and to protect the casinos from criminal element . This is why it is tightly controlled and overseas gaming is not controlled.
Hence what happens to on-line poker players ( not all are like that, but I sure found over 5 that were ripping off the players ) and there seems to be no consequence.

Years ago I called an on-line gambling site , I think they had video poker , and I talked to the person how it all worked. She told me to deposit xxx amount of money and I could then play.
I asked where they were located in case I was not paid right or had an issue and she said they were out of the country. I said what is my protection to make sure I was paid correctly ?
She said I would have to abide by THAT countries laws. I hung up. ( Now keep in mind that was 15 years ago so not sure how things are now but the reports of being ripped off are CURRENT so thats what lead me here to tell ppl to be careful regarding OGS ( online gaming sites )
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Old 11-04-2010, 05:46 PM
 
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I live in Las Vegas and gambling is a part of my life. I'm surrounded by it everywhere. Even the grocery stores and gas stations have slot machines. I see it every day and couldn't completely avoid it if I wanted to. If I want to go to a movie or even bowling, I probably have to go to a casino to do it.

I enjoy gambling as long as it's just for entertainment. A hot evening is spending $20 each and grabbing a 2 for 1 buffet. It's fun and harmless and I don't get to do it all that often. I budget for entertainment and that's the amount I spend. And once a month or so, we cash in the change jar too. Every now and then we get comps and sometimes we use them....but we know they aren't really free. If we get lucky and win a significant amount of money, half goes to the entertainment fund and half goes to other things. Sometimes we go for 3 or 4 weeks without even walking into a casino. Every once in a while we go through a winning streak that funds more gambling. I once hit 5 royal flushes in 2 weeks! But after a while, the casino is more boring than exciting.

I don't see the above as being a problem. I don't gamble my bill money and I have no debts. It's just a harmless diversion. An evening's entertainment. But I would have more money if I never gambled at all. That's just the truth.

I know people who are addicted to gambling. I'm not really sure it's the actual gambling they are addicted to, I think it's the excitement. Bingo, strangely enough, seems to be one of the most likely to addict games. I've seen people lose the mortgage payment to bingo. Sports betting is another bad one.

I have a simple system for judging the 'addiction factor'. If you will let me down and disappoint me because of gambling...you are too much into it for me!
Yellowsnow you sound like a normal recreational gambler who plays for fun !
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Old 11-04-2010, 07:00 PM
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Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Yellowsnow you sound like a normal recreational gambler who plays for fun !
Gambling IS fun if you're not addicted!

I'm not well-versed in poker enough to play against other people in a casino, so I play Let-It-Ride. I live about an hour and a half from Atlantic City so I go there a couple of times a year. I did go to Vegas for the first time last year and had a ball, but I did other things while I was there, too.

Next weekend I have to go to my daughter's horse show upstate New York, and I'm staying at Turning Stone, the Oneida Nation's casino. It's the same price as the other area hotels, and she has to spend her evening with her team, so I'm going to have a little gambling time while I'm up there. I was there once before and won $700, so wish me luck this time, too!
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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Gambling IS fun if you're not addicted!

I'm not well-versed in poker enough to play against other people in a casino, so I play Let-It-Ride. I live about an hour and a half from Atlantic City so I go there a couple of times a year. I did go to Vegas for the first time last year and had a ball, but I did other things while I was there, too.

Next weekend I have to go to my daughter's horse show upstate New York, and I'm staying at Turning Stone, the Oneida Nation's casino. It's the same price as the other area hotels, and she has to spend her evening with her team, so I'm going to have a little gambling time while I'm up there. I was there once before and won $700, so wish me luck this time, too!
Good Luck MightyQueen and have fun ~!
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:33 AM
 
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Just started dating a guy who plays poker on the weekend. I see him during the week and he is a very loving nice guy but he says he would like to be a fulltime player. Utt oh. He works long hours..is with me most of the week but then off to the races when the casino is concerned on the weekend. Then if he doesn't do well. He is broke all week and does not have money to take me out. I know red flags and that is what I am putting up. But how do I say in a
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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Just started dating a guy who plays poker on the weekend. I see him during the week and he is a very loving nice guy but he says he would like to be a fulltime player. Utt oh. He works long hours..is with me most of the week but then off to the races when the casino is concerned on the weekend. Then if he doesn't do well. He is broke all week and does not have money to take me out. I know red flags and that is what I am putting up. But how do I say in a decent way that this is going to effect me and is already. Its only been a month. I really like this guy. Help?
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