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Old 02-10-2012, 10:01 PM
 
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OMG, many women, really?

Ted Bundy acted like he needed help (a victim, nothing dominant) and unsuspecting women who tried to help were forced into his car. He didn't seduce anyone. He just appeared 'normal' and 'clean cut'. In the 70's and earlier in history, the fallacy was you'd get raped or killed by walking in a dark alley by a menacing figure. People would convict a person if they were ugly or odd looking.

Unfortunately it takes time and a media system to get the message out that a perfectly good looking guy can harbor dark fantasies but it doesn't mean women or men for that matter, (as in Jeffrey Dahmer's case) were attracted to danger.

The key point is they hid their dark side. In order to prove your theory, you'd have to prove that first of all, they knew the guy was violent and went with them anyway. Do some women get involved in domestic abuse situations? Yes, and the ones who don't walk away immediately either have been abused themselves and/or they don't have the means to get out before it's too late.

Do you really think women are so different from men? That we are not human and don't want to be abused or hurt?
He only acted dominant to women he knew such as his first girlfriend in order to seem impressive.

He didn't know the majority of his victims although he did try to employ his charms such as in the Debra Kent case where, after failing to lure a few teachers backstage during a school play, he simply had to wait until poor Debra Kent walked out into the parking lot alone to pick up her little brother at the skate rink. Bundy wasn't afraid to try and use charm but he knew that increased his profile so he tried to avoid it unless he was particularly desperate to fill his urges.

Bundy was seductive. With his first girlfriend that broke up with him he won her back and even got her to agree to marry him before suddenly dumping her completely and increasing his savage spree tenfold. His only reasoning for it is that he wanted to prove to himself he could have her.

Bundy, if he had decided to employ charm, probably would have been able to attract a different set of women as his victims but he would likely have been caught sooner, not that it would have mattered considering he managed to escape, twice. Bundy was a crafty, manipulative son of a gun!

He particularly scares me because I match his victim type, I live in the area where he got a good deal of his victims, I went to the same school as him and I would have fallen for the 'Help me take my books to my car, I can't because I have a cast on.' ploy without thinking twice.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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OMG, many women, really?

Ted Bundy acted like he needed help and unsuspecting women who tried to help were forced into his car. He didn't seduce anyone. He just appeared 'normal' and 'clean cut'. In the 70's and earlier in history, the fallacy was you'd get raped or killed by walking in a dark alley by a menacing figure. People would convict a person if they were ugly or odd looking.

Unfortunately it takes time and a media system to get the message out that a perfectly good looking guy can harbor dark fantasies but it doesn't mean women or men for that matter, (as in Jeffrey Dahmer's case) were attracted to danger.

The key point is they hid their dark side. In order to prove your theory, you'd have to prove that first of all, they knew the guy was violent and went with them anyway. Do some women get involved in domestic abuse situations? Yes, and the ones who don't walk away immediately either have been abused themselves and/or they don't have the means to get out before it's too late.

Do you really think women are so different from men? That we are not human and don't want to be abused or hurt?

No, I don't think most women want to be hurt or abused. It just so happens that violent/abusive males often have other qualities women are attracted to..more so than non-violent men.

In this particular case,Joshua Powell was violent since a teenager and already displayed controlling behavior to Susan before they got married.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:08 PM
 
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Theres so much to this case, we can only speculate about the dynamics.

Susan Powell claimed she had been abused by her parents. I believe it was discovered in journals. What that 'abuse' entailed I don't recall, her parents ademently denied any truth to the accusation.

Perhaps they were controlling, strict parents, we'll never know the truth.

If you've read the most recent reports Josh Powell was following in his father Steven Powells footsteps.

Controlling and obssessive behavior are a part of it, but it looks like he had big issues. Statistically, obssessive types are more prone to kill partners and take their own life.

So, while I don't agree with your entire post, the dynamics of the attaction seem to fit the cycle and patterns of abuse.
Wrong! Only Josh and his father made claims about her journals. NO ONE ELSE has ever said what they contained. I would not believe what those scumbags said, it was part of their sick story that she tried to seduce her f-i-l.

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Old 02-10-2012, 10:13 PM
 
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Wrong! Only Josh and his father made claims about her journals. NO ONE ELSE has ever said what they contained. I would not believe what those scumbags said, it was part of their sick story that she tried to seduce her f-i-l.

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Honestly. Who has more credibility?

A convicted pedophile, child porn pusher or the child murdering prick who hacked his children to death and blew them up and possibly killed their mother?

Neither.

Both of them are worthless POS and they deserve, at the very least, to have their flesh stripped off, to be dunked in a barrel of salt followed by being stoned to death.

I am sure Susan's poor parents who have lost their daughter and their grandchildren could come up with something better but what I posted is a mere start.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:17 PM
 
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Still I believe it's more than obvious that many women are attracted to these men,

deny it all you want but the truth is all around us.
Understand that many are unfamiliar with the dynamic at play that attracts a women to these type of men.

Women in these relationships don't understand why until they get some help and educate themselves on the issue.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:19 PM
 
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@Maria I am impressed with your knowledge of Ted Bundy. Is it true that he recieved many love letters/marriage proposals while on death row? If so, what do you make of that?
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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@Maria I am impressed with your knowledge of Ted Bundy. Is it true that he recieved many love letters/marriage proposals while on death row? If so, what do you make of that?
THOUSANDS of letters. If you think he was bad check out Richard Ramirez who not only has women literally fighting at the front gates of San Quentin to get some face time with him but actually married a woman who says she will kill herself when he is executed.

I have a knowledge of serial killers because I volunteer my time to help match dead bodies to identities. Basically I help connect the dots for missing people and help out over worked law enforcement officials. Check out The Doe Network, The Charley Project and NAMUS but to name a few. NCMEC is another good one.

Anywho I understand the allure. Ted Bundy was sexy. I won't deny it. Knowing what he has done doesn't help. It is an animal attraction. The man just had that predator thing going on that attracts women. There is even a term for it. It is called 'Beauty and The Beast syndrome'. It is classified as a specific attraction and not as a mental illness.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:25 PM
 
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No, I don't think most women want to be hurt or abused. It just so happens that violent/abusive males often have other qualities women are attracted to..more so than non-violent men.

In this particular case,Joshua Powell was violent since a teenager and already displayed controlling behavior to Susan before they got married.
According to the bolded sentence, then no woman can trust a man until it's too late. How do we know he's just acting the part? Well, we do in the first hint of violent tendencies, that's when I'm done. Only those who grew up in a abusive home may not be as cut and dry about it. Usually, there is a honeymoon period, where the abuser is profusely apologetic and sweet and she hopes it won't happen again because, "I love him, we have kids, have no money to leave..." It's not right but it's also not something many women want or are attracted to. There are just as many charming men who live up to the claims, why mess with the ones who don't? No self-respecting, well-adjusted woman would want an abuser.

Men are also abused by women. The same could be said for them. Why stay with a woman who hits you, don't hit back or if you prevent her from hitting and put bruises on her arms, when the police comes, who gets hauled to jail? The psychology of one who gets involved with abusive people is complex but not relegated by sex.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:36 PM
 
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Anywho I understand the allure. Ted Bundy was sexy. I won't deny it. Knowing what he has done doesn't help. It is an animal attraction. The man just had that predator thing going on that attracts women. There is even a term for it. It is called 'Beauty and The Beast syndrome'. It is classified as a specific attraction and not as a mental illness.
Ok, now that's just plain insane. He was never sexy. I saw pictures of him with that weird smug smile. And in NO way is there an animal attraction for these guys!

The women who go after these guys in prison like to feel they understand them in ways no other can. They see something good and they like the fantasy relationship because these guys will write romantic, seductive letters back to them. The women are delusional, believing their loved one was wronged or that their love is so strong despite society. The women are not interested in a real relationship.
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Old 02-10-2012, 10:37 PM
 
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THOUSANDS of letters. If you think he was bad check out Richard Ramirez who not only has women literally fighting at the front gates of San Quentin to get some face time with him but actually married a woman who says she will kill herself when he is executed.

I have a knowledge of serial killers because I volunteer my time to help match dead bodies to identities. Basically I help connect the dots for missing people and help out over worked law enforcement officials. Check out The Doe Network, The Charley Project and NAMUS but to name a few. NCMEC is another good one.

Anywho I understand the allure. Ted Bundy was sexy. I won't deny it. Knowing what he has done doesn't help. It is an animal attraction. The man just had that predator thing going on that attracts women. There is even a term for it. It is called 'Beauty and The Beast syndrome'. It is classified as a specific attraction and not as a mental illness.
You are one of the few women I have ever read that acknowledges this attraction exists. Woud you say this happens on a smaller scale as well...women falling for just your run of the mill predator/bad guy without the star power of a Bundy? Would you say women can pick up on the bad qualities early..even if it's on a subconscious level, despite later claiming having "no idea" he was like that.
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