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Old 02-23-2013, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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I have read that in the Middle East, where dowry demands and legal polygamy mean many men are without wives, it is common for men to have (forbidden) romantic relationships with each other or younger men/boys. I don't know if that is true.

I also suspect that nald is citing studies from Focus on the Family, or cherrypicking rather busily. I also have never heard of parents shoving their kids out of the closet when the kids aren't actually gay - unless the parents have some sort of mental disorder. (My one friend's MIL continually accused her other son of being gay as she slid into dementia. It was weird.)
Usually, it's parents trying to shove their kids back in the closet. I have a lot of gay friends - none of their parents tried to force them into it. Sounds like some sort of anti-gay agenda that nald is talking about. Whatever.

And, no, none of my gay friends are gay because women are just so bad that they couldn't take it anymore. All the gay people I know are gay because they like men - not because they hate women.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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And, no, none of my gay friends are gay because women are just so bad that they couldn't take it anymore. All the gay people I know are gay because they like men - not because they hate women.
And most of them say they knew from the time they were very little. They wanted to see their sister's Ken doll naked, or they had a crush on He-Man or something innocent like that.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:08 AM
 
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I have read that in the Middle East, where dowry demands and legal polygamy mean many men are without wives, it is common for men to have (forbidden) romantic relationships with each other or younger men/boys. I don't know if that is true.

I also suspect that nald is citing studies from Focus on the Family, or cherrypicking rather busily. I also have never heard of parents shoving their kids out of the closet when the kids aren't actually gay - unless the parents have some sort of mental disorder. (My one friend's MIL continually accused her other son of being gay as she slid into dementia. It was weird.)
Sadly, as someone who has spent more time in this part of the world than I care to have, I can say, yes, it's true.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I have no idea.... There was one study (think I read it Scientific America awhile back- I'll see if I can find it) that linked homosexuality to birth order. They tracked families with 3 or more boys and found that, while 1st and 2nd born boys are less likely to be homosexual, the 3rd born boy is more likely, 4th born boy even more likely, and the percentages keep increasing for the number of boys/late birth order in a family. E.g. A sixth born boy was much more likely to be homosexual... The theory was that there was less and less genetic need to pass on the family seed after the first two or three born boys and that genetically predisposed later born boys to be homosexual...

I do not know how scientifically valid the study was, just thought the theory was very interesting...
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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I have no idea.... There was one study (think I read it Scientific America awhile back- I'll see if I can find it) that linked homosexuality to birth order. They tracked families with 3 or more boys and found that, while 1st and 2nd born boys are less likely to be homosexual, the 3rd born boy is more likely, 4th born boy even more likely, and the percentages keep increasing for the number of boys/late birth order in a family. E.g. A sixth born boy was much more likely to be homosexual... The theory was that there was less and less genetic need to pass on the family seed after the first two or three born boys and that genetically predisposed later born boys to be homosexual...

I do not know how scientifically valid the study was, just thought the theory was very interesting...
I have two gay men in my family. Both are the only son in their own family. Sort of blows that theory up.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:38 AM
 
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I have no idea.... There was one study (think I read it Scientific America awhile back- I'll see if I can find it) that linked homosexuality to birth order. They tracked families with 3 or more boys and found that, while 1st and 2nd born boys are less likely to be homosexual, the 3rd born boy is more likely, 4th born boy even more likely, and the percentages keep increasing for the number of boys/late birth order in a family. E.g. A sixth born boy was much more likely to be homosexual... The theory was that there was less and less genetic need to pass on the family seed after the first two or three born boys and that genetically predisposed later born boys to be homosexual...

I do not know how scientifically valid the study was, just thought the theory was very interesting...
From an evolutionary perspective, it makes sense. The heterosexual children are more likely to be produced first - those are the ones most likely to reproduce and carry on the genes. Meanwhile, given that life span was amazingly short and family units most likely stuck together, any offspring those older children had - in the event of the parents' deaths - would be more likely to be cared for by their "gay" uncles who were less likely to have children of their own and more able to take up caring for their older siblings' offspring, rather than putting them into competition with their OWN offspring. In this way, genetic lines with a homosexual "tendency" would have better odds of surviving.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I have two gay men in my family. Both are the only son in their own family. Sort of blows that theory up.
A few anecdotes do not always blow up a theory.... I happen to know 2 families that do fit the mild. I will try to find the study. As I said, it's just an interesting theory and I have no background to argue either for or against it.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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I have two gay men in my family. Both are the only son in their own family. Sort of blows that theory up.
From a statistical perspective using a broad sample, not as an absolute rule.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:53 AM
 
Location: NY
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I suppose it could happen, but don't know. I cannot say I know of any friends, or acquaintances who have done this due to lack of success with women. (Of course, if it is happening, I doubt it is frequently admitted either... especially if they are really straight and just experimenting down that road).

Question is, if they are so "desperate" they cannot develop enough of a relationship with a woman to have sexual relations, what makes it easy for them to do it with a man?
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:57 AM
 
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I suppose it could happen, but don't know. I cannot say I know of any friends, or acquaintances who have done this due to lack of success with women. (Of course, if it is happening, I doubt it is frequently admitted either... especially if they are really straight and just experimenting down that road).

Question is, if they are so "desperate" they cannot develop enough of a relationship with a woman to have sexual relations, what makes it easy for them to do it with a man?
One of my evangelical friends told me it was because gay men didn't know how to relate to women and were only comfortable relating to men. Which I found hysterical. Many of my gay male friends (pre-coming out) had women flinging themselves at them solely because of their ability to relate so well to women.
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