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Originally Posted by thegreenflute334
The subject of alcoholism is boring to me although I do like Carl Jung better than Sigmond Freud.
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Freud would have suggested to the subject that they were repressing sexual feelings of their mother and prescribe them a generous dose of cocaine. Jung would have told the subject, "I cannot help you. You may rest your hope on the pursuit of a rare but effective religious experience that might effect a needed psychic change." Today, a treatment facility might convince the subject that they suffer from a disease that requires a prescription to some pharmaceutical wonder drug, but that aftercare should include attendance to A.A. meetings, which does NOT adhere to the "disease model", but will give the caregiver an out when the subject fails, stating that the subject may not be helped by A.A. afterall, but should continue taking the meds and seeking psychiatric evaluation.
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Originally Posted by thegreenflute334
Not everyone will listen to this crap. Or, I really should be more understanding and sometimes I am but there is nothing wrong with eliminating the gene pool of alcoholics by their own elimination, is there?  |
But alcoholism is not a new phenomena. They've existed in our midst since perhaps before the times of Noah.
Yet... the rare alcoholic transcends millennia, cultures, etc. Some do in fact die off, but extinction has not taken place.
We've done nothing to answer the questions... why do some become alcoholics to begin with... how does it propagate, how can it be eradicated?
A.A. had the forsight to look at mistakes from the past and steer clear, namely the fallacy of the Washingtonians, who tried to reach too far and solve problems beyond its own experience. A.A. is for alcoholics, period. No one else.
A.A. does not believe that alcoholism is a disease.
Let me repeat that.
A.A. does not believe that alcoholism is a disease... nor an addiction.
Anybody can become an addict. Anybody can become a non-addict, thusly.
Alcoholism is a very selective malady. A non-alcoholic cannot drink themselves alcoholic.
Anyone who does not understand this should read The Chapter to Wives from the A.A. book. It describes the chronic alcoholic... the one with the most hope of recovery ironically, the garden variety alccoholic, the potential alky, and the hard drinker.
Many don't agree with the A.A. definition of alcoholism. That's of no consequence to me. I know that it's the best description of the thing to date. You're alcoholic if you find that A) you cannot control the amount once you start and B) you cannot keep from the 1st drink for long on your own willpower. If you can do A or B when given a sufficient reason, you ain't alky.
If you can get and stay sober without A.A., do it.
Then come back in here and tell us your success story.
I'm sober 11+ years now. I have a great marriage, a good relationship with much of my family, a host of friends, opportunity to help my community, recreation, health, a healthy diet, etc.
I am responsible for my sober life. My wife expects me to remain spiritually fit. I can offer help to a distraught drunk with no answers. I cannot get them sober. I can show them what I did. If they want to get and stay sober, I can practically do no wrong to them. If they don't, I can do no right.
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