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I am tired of that kind of response. While I haven't done surveys or confirmed this from an expert, I think it's normal, innate heterosexual male psychology to view women somewhat as prizes, going along with qualities like protectiveness that in some situations can be good. Note: I am not saying it's normal to view or treat women mostly as objects (except in, for example, porn).
If I am right, then (likely feminism-conditioned) resentment and shaming of men for that is wholly counterproductive.
I think some guys grow beards because they think they will look better with them. Same as every other person does something to improve their chances.
I can't really comment. I just got back from a wedding, where the bride and groom were in love and definitely not shallow, and nobody really cared about this type of thing. Anybody worth a shake will look at a potential partner with interest, whether or not that person has a beer belly or a double chin.
Elliot Rodger obviously spent too much time putting women into cartoon fantasy situations, where they didn't exist as human beings. I've not had much luck with women, but I'd like to think that's it's not because I'm ugly or because I'm too picky, it's because I haven't met the right person yet. And people end up in unhappy relationships everyday, they surely aren't picky ENOUGH.
I am tired of that kind of response. While I haven't done surveys or confirmed this from an expert, I think it's normal, innate heterosexual male psychology to view women somewhat as prizes, going along with qualities like protectiveness that in some situations can be good. Note: I am not saying it's normal to view or treat women mostly as objects (except in, for example, porn).
If I am right, then (likely feminism-conditioned) resentment and shaming of men for that is wholly counterproductive.
I think u are right in most of what u say...however your flaws are that you actually ARE very focused on the superficial aspects of improving women today...being overweight and fat and ugly etc should be way further down on the list of priorities, considering how many of todays women act. Furthermore, you seem intent on portraying disgruntled men as victims...this will generally never, and I do mean ever engender you much true support from women..and particularly feminists...it is against female nature to relinquish a biological monopoly many feel they have on victimhood, as a result of having to endure pregnancy/childbirth. So implying that youre a victim of anything simply because youre a man, will always circle back to the claim that women must give birth and are therefore the top victim in any given scenario. But I wholeheartedly agree with you, and said many years ago that america is developing a serious problem with disgruntled men who feel their power in society has been stripped by govt subsidy, and redistributed to women.
yet, I dont think this should be perceived as some kind of threat to society or that we should all scramble to make these men happy...but rather, it will be what it will be...young men will continue to assault those they want to assert their dominance over, at all costs, and they will be squelched by a police state formed by other men..I suspect this will occur until the problem becomes too large for the comfortable majority to ignore...you already see this happening in the black community where govt sponsored familial matriarchy has ruled for several generations. We just call them thugs and lock them up, instead of delving into some deep psychological over analysis of what prompts them to do what they do...but the feelings of hopelessness and powerlessness and subsequent rebellion against a govt run by powerful males that actively sponsors everything except their well being as powerless young men, stem from the exact same source. My guess is that this was initially only a microcosm of what we are beginning to see now become more widespread in mainstream 'merka. But I think these things will run their course until the issue becomes too large to ignore. But one way or the other, it will correct itself eventually.
Last edited by soletaire; 06-15-2014 at 12:19 AM..
I am tired of that kind of response. While I haven't done surveys or confirmed this from an expert, I think it's normal, innate heterosexual male psychology to view women somewhat as prizes, going along with qualities like protectiveness that in some situations can be good. Note: I am not saying it's normal to view or treat women mostly as objects (except in, for example, porn).
If I am right, then (likely feminism-conditioned) resentment and shaming of men for that is wholly counterproductive.
You're tired of being told that women are people not prizes? All I can say is stay away from my daughters. Fortunately, neither of them are 10's so you wouldn't be interested anyway.
I am tired of that kind of response. While I haven't done surveys or confirmed this from an expert, I think it's normal, innate heterosexual male psychology to view women somewhat as prizes, going along with qualities like protectiveness that in some situations can be good. Note: I am not saying it's normal to view or treat women mostly as objects (except in, for example, porn).
You're tired of women having a right to be who they want to be, dress how they want to dress, and choosing who they want to date? Oh, you poor little lamb, you.
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If I am right, then (likely feminism-conditioned) resentment and shaming of men for that is wholly counterproductive.
There are some extremists out there who say hogwash like "all men are rapists" or whatever, and they're nuts. But historically, feminism has had its place, and every woman living owes them a great debt of gratitude. The vote, autonomy, a career . . . they have the option to not even ever have a relationship with a man at all (marriage or otherwise) because they no longer rely on the support of men. They have choices. How awful.
Women have been endowed with brains and the desire to achieve something in their lives. They are full human beings with ambitions and goals. You wish to dismiss all of that and reduce them to pretty prizes. And you act like it's the poor men who are the victims here, for what? For being petulant children who are angry because not all women want to be their toy, their pretty piece of arm candy?
Respect has to be earned, and some of these whiners haven't earned it by complaining that women aren't pretty enough, aren't thin enough, and they must change . . . cry me a river.
Yeah, let's make movies like "The 40 year old virgin" and make more fun of them so they are pushed over the edge even farther.
Legal prostitution might be OK if idiot boys who are obsessed with their virginity can get rid of it. I've known plenty of women who would do it for the novelty ...in HS. They were girls then.
I don't think the character in the movie was portrayed badly. Andy was a content, responsible, if a little nerdy, guy until the imbeciles at work got a hold of him. He didn't hate women and didn't want the crazy party girl. It's those other guys that looked like idiots.
The woman he married was questionable too. I thought Andy was the most decent character in the movie. He didn't try to get anyone else to change. I wanted to cringe when he sold all those vintage toys because his girlfriend said he should grow up and invest the money in some business that would fail.
Legal prostitution is not the answer, Rodger could have used an escort service, he didn't want that and many other guys would not want it. Men whose first experience was with a hooker tend to have issues about it.
I think u are right in most of what u say...however your flaws are that you actually ARE very focused on the superficial aspects of improving women today...being overweight and fat and ugly etc should be way further down on the list of priorities, considering how many of todays women act. Furthermore, you seem intent on portraying disgruntled men as victims...this will generally never, and I do mean ever engender you much true support from women..and particularly feminists...it is against female nature to relinquish a biological monopoly many feel they have on victimhood, as a result of having to endure pregnancy/childbirth. So implying that youre a victim of anything simply because youre a man, will always circle back to the claim that women must give birth and are therefore the top victim in any given scenario. But I wholeheartedly agree with you, and said many years ago that america is developing a serious problem with disgruntled men who feel their power in society has been stripped by govt subsidy, and redistributed to women.
yet, I dont think this should be perceived as some kind of threat to society or that we should all scramble to make these men happy...but rather, it will be what it will be...young men will continue to assault those they want to assert their dominance over, at all costs, and they will be squelched by a police state formed by other men..I suspect this will occur until the problem becomes too large for the comfortable majority to ignore...you already see this happening in the black community where govt sponsored familial matriarchy has ruled for several generations. We just call them thugs and lock them up, instead of delving into some deep psychological over analysis of what prompts them to do what they do...but the feelings of hopelessness and powerlessness and subsequent rebellion against a govt run by powerful males that actively sponsors everything except their well being as powerless young men, stem from the exact same source.
The bolded has been the case in very country through out ALL of human history. It will never change.
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My guess is that this was initially only a microcosm of what we are beginning to see now become more widespread in mainstream 'merka. But I think these things will run their course until the issue becomes too large to ignore. But one way or the other, it will correct itself eventually.
The issues you're highlighting, though, don't have anything to do with women.
The bolded has been the case in very country through out ALL of human history. It will never change.
The issues you're highlighting, though, don't have anything to do with women.
Im not aware of any documentation that has established that every country in the world has always developed a trend of problems with disgruntled young males from the beginning of history. I also dont think there is any verifyable way to anticipate whether anything will change or not.
And I disagree that the issues i highlight dont have anything to do with women.
I think u are right in most of what u say...however your flaws are that you actually ARE very focused on the superficial aspects of improving women today...being overweight and fat and ugly etc should be way further down on the list of priorities, considering how many of todays women act. Furthermore, you seem intent on portraying disgruntled men as victims...this will generally never, and I do mean ever engender you much true support from women..and particularly feminists...it is against female nature to relinquish a biological monopoly many feel they have on victimhood, as a result of having to endure pregnancy/childbirth. So implying that youre a victim of anything simply because youre a man, will always circle back to the claim that women must give birth and are therefore the top victim in any given scenario. But I wholeheartedly agree with you, and said many years ago that america is developing a serious problem with disgruntled men who feel their power in society has been stripped by govt subsidy, and redistributed to women.
yet, I dont think this should be perceived as some kind of threat to society or that we should all scramble to make these men happy...but rather, it will be what it will be...young men will continue to assault those they want to assert their dominance over, at all costs, and they will be squelched by a police state formed by other men..I suspect this will occur until the problem becomes too large for the comfortable majority to ignore...you already see this happening in the black community where govt sponsored familial matriarchy has ruled for several generations. We just call them thugs and lock them up, instead of delving into some deep psychological over analysis of what prompts them to do what they do...but the feelings of hopelessness and powerlessness and subsequent rebellion against a govt run by powerful males that actively sponsors everything except their well being as powerless young men, stem from the exact same source. My guess is that this was initially only a microcosm of what we are beginning to see now become more widespread in mainstream 'merka. But I think these things will run their course until the issue becomes too large to ignore. But one way or the other, it will correct itself eventually.
You're male, huh? I wish any woman would state that much agreement, even though it's rather defeatist for the foreseeable future.
I might be more focused on the superficial problems than most are, but that's because they are relatively simple and all I've actually cited as needing change are obesity and style. The latter to me is more about personality and behavior than attractiveness, and I think if both sexes presented themselves as classy in a sexually appealing way, men and women would get along significantly better.
An idea that the posts since last night bring to mind is misandrist indoctrination. Look at the reaction to my wanting to change things back at all - it's like I want to take away all women's rights. Pervasive levels of anti-male sentiments that many women themselves do not recognize. I think too many women have been taught, especially in college and by the media, that men are no good and basically want pretty sex slaves. Society needs to stop perpetuating myths like the wage gap (as mainly a function of discrimination), men regularly beating their wives decades ago, and constant male thoughts about sex. That wouldn't keep a time bomb like Elliot Rodger from exploding, but it would help avoid indirectly angering saner men.
not all women have a lot of options either. I have NEVER had options with men like other women do and I am 34. I have only ever been asked on a date once. So it's not only men who have few options and no idea what to do when that occurs.
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