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I've heard every day people when it comes to trans issues. I've heard every single damn argument used against US from the religious to the "it's a choice" to "you're a sick freak" and I have ZERO patience for the same crap, over and over. I know the real trolls will come, tasting blood in the water, because they always come when trans threads get posted.
There's people like that sod who say it's all genetics and genetics can't be changed. I educate them and rather then saying "thanks, I didn't know about this" I get more vitriol, if I get an answer at all.
There's other people who say it's all about the genitals so I tell them about ambigious genitals, vaginal agenesis, hypospadia, Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (Hi! That's me, I'm intersex) and instead of "thank you, I didn't know about those" I get vitriol, if I get an answer at all.
I tell them about study after study show there are anatomical differences in the brains between transpeople and non-transpeople - changes that are similar to the brain of the identified gender:
"XY karyotype men have about twice the volume and twice the number of neurons as XX karyotype women in two regions of the brain, called the BSTc and INAH3 regions. (Bao, Kruijver) An early study of cadaver brains found that transwomen have roughly the same numbers of neurons in these areas as XX women (Zhou), and this has been backed up by further non-invasive imaging studies. (Bao, Kruijver) A single transman who was tested was found to have an XY male number of neurons.(Bao, Kruijver) However, it should be noted that in the imaging study, the differences from person to person were somewhat wide-ranging, and the sample sizes were very small."
That's one of many, many examples. Do I get people saying, "Wow, I had no idea?" No, I get bile tossed my way.
Take a look at the other threads on the subject and see the hatred thrown at trans people and stop and think, wow, maybe that's why Wynternight feels strongly about this. Because Wynternight can lose her house, her job, and her very life, for trying to live as she feels she should live. How in the hell does that affect anyone else? It doesn't. I go to work, I pay taxes, I do the same stuff anyone else does yet I will always have bigots and hatemongers condemning me and I'm expected, nay, demanded to sit and take it?
I don't think so.
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So many thoughts but another that I have is the idea that just because we CAN do something doesn't mean we should. Those surgeries are not really great, they are just the only current option besides doing "head work" to get the mind to accept the body. Cutting things is easier but it doesn't necessarily give the hoped for results and can result in more trouble down the road.
Well, nature is known for occasionally making mistakes. We don't know the reasons why some people are born transgendered, but we do know that it happens. It may have to do with certain hormones during an unborn baby's development. Who knows. You as a regular man can't fathom that a person could be born into what they perceive as the wrong body. But that's just the way that you personally see things. You don't know what they themselves feel in their minds and in their bodies.
There does exist what's known as "intersex" people - they were once shamefully referred to as "hermaphrodites". Even though that's different from being transgendered, but it goes to show that nature doesn't always get things right. So, the point is that if nature can produce intersex people then it can also produce transgendered people.
I do agree with you though that creating a "fake vagina" wouldn't help, especially since the person would lose the ability to orgasm. But I guess that by having the surgery, they feel complete in that their body finally matches their mind.
They certainly can achieve orgasms with their neo-vaginas. And yes... Body congruency is major!
But all of what you mentioned is created by humans. 2,000 years ago, purses didn't exist. And bathrooms were holes in the ground. Did Transgenders not exist 2000 years ago?
I would think that was weird today since I was brought up as a man and the gender stereotypes were ingrained in me since I was born. I would assume the same is said for Transgenders as well, that they were brought up and raised in the sex their genitalia classified them as.
"But all of what you mentioned is created by humans. 2,000 years ago, purses didn't exist. And bathrooms were holes in the ground"
Thats the Societal influence part of it. Which is difficult to separate from the Inate part, because experimentally you could never duplicate not having the social influence.
It's all grey anyway so just accept it for what it is. We are all equal from the perspective of the IRS so thats all that really matters anyway.
41% of transpeople attempt suicide. The numbers drop to about 1.6% post-transition. Hmm...no wonder the AMA and APA say transition is the only successful treatment for gender dysphoria.
**If mods feel this isn't appropriate, please feel free to delete it. I mean no harm or "attacking" of any individuals. Just curious. **
One thing I've wondered for years is the whole "Transgender" deal in human sexuality. I completely understand homosexuality and bisexuality. You're attracted to who you're attracted to.
What I don't get is the whole "I'm a dude, but feel like a girl" (or vice versa) thing. I'm a guy. When I'm turned on, I get an erection. I assume that these guys are the same way as it's an automatic function of the male body.
I just can't wrap my head around "Let's go chop my penis off and put a hole there instead" thing as I'm not sure how having a fake Vagina would help.
I also don't understand since gender roles as we know it are a product of human creation. The clothing we wear, makeup, etc, is all a product of humans assigning one thing to a certain gender, which isn't biological at all. I mean, I'm the same size as my girlfriend, and have worn some of her clothes and don't feel different. And I did a few plays in the past and have worn makeup and haven't feel any more "feminine" than normal.
Maybe I'm oversimplifying things?
Is Transgenderism more of a Psycological thing more than a physical?
If you're serious.... Why not read up on the subject instead of soliciting opinions of others who like yourself haven't much of a clue other than their own take? Or was your OP just a passive aggressive way to bring up a controversial subject under the guise of " I am just curious". You might start out by learning the difference between sexuality and gender..... Just a suggestion.
They certainly can achieve orgasms with their neo-vaginas.
Does anyone have a link to an interview or a video showing a MTF who attests to having orgasms post-surgery? I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, I'm just genuinely curious because everything that I have learned up to this point about MTFs is that they can't orgasm post-surgery. There are some recent famous examples of MTFs who have chosen not to undergo the surgery (Carmen Carrera is one example). I would think that their reason for not having the surgery despite having the means to do it is that they don't want to lose their ability to orgasm.
Also, I remember in the 90s that the daytime talkshows sometimes had post-op MTFs who'd say that they didn't feel anything during sex. There was one who even said that a sex change surgery ruined her life.
Does anyone have a link to an interview or a video showing a MTF who attests to having orgasms post-surgery? I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, I'm just genuinely curious because everything that I have learned up to this point about MTFs is that they can't orgasm post-surgery. There are some recent famous examples of MTFs who have chosen not to undergo the surgery (Carmen Carrera is one example). I would think that their reason for not having the surgery despite having the means to do it is that they don't want to lose their ability to orgasm.
Also, I remember in the 90s that the daytime talkshows sometimes had post-op MTFs who'd say that they didn't feel anything during sex. There was one who even said that a sex change surgery ruined her life.
Just trust me on this one. Post-op transwomen can orgasm and even have multiple orgasms.
The surgery has come very far since the days of 1990s talk shows and one person saying surgery ruined her life is an anecdote, not data.
Look on the sites for Drs. Bower, McGinn, Brassard, Suporn, and Chett for more details.
Does anyone have a link to an interview or a video showing a MTF who attests to having orgasms post-surgery? I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, I'm just genuinely curious because everything that I have learned up to this point about MTFs is that they can't orgasm post-surgery. There are some recent famous examples of MTFs who have chosen not to undergo the surgery (Carmen Carrera is one example). I would think that their reason for not having the surgery despite having the means to do it is that they don't want to lose their ability to orgasm.
Also, I remember in the 90s that the daytime talkshows sometimes had post-op MTFs who'd say that they didn't feel anything during sex. There was one who even said that a sex change surgery ruined her life.
Check out Dr Suporn's web site. He's had remarkable success with his technique. He's in Thailand. Or Dr Marcy Bowers. They've come a long way since the 1990's.
And yes.. Sexual reassignment surgery isn't 100% and some do regret having the procedure done. Maybe because ( just an opinion here) of unrealistic expectations. There are a lot of factors involved with transsexualism besides looking the part.
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