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Old 08-04-2016, 06:58 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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My grandmother was a pedophilia and she sexually abused my mother. I don't know in how far it is genetic, but I believe we should treat them based on what they do and not on what they are. My grandmother stopped abusing my mother at some point and she never sexually abused me, so I believe they have a choice. I don't believe that you can compare it with homosexuality because it may goes against nature, but it doesn't harm anyone.
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Between West Chester and Chester, PA
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Every single pedophile needs to be lined up and systematically disposed of. The only cure for them is a bullet to the head.
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Old 08-04-2016, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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My grandmother was a pedophilia and she sexually abused my mother. I don't know in how far it is genetic, but I believe we should treat them based on what they do and not on what they are. My grandmother stopped abusing my mother at some point and she never sexually abused me, so I believe they have a choice. I don't believe that you can compare it with homosexuality because it may goes against nature, but it doesn't harm anyone.
Who does homosexuality harm?
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Old 08-04-2016, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Every single pedophile needs to be lined up and systematically disposed of. The only cure for them is a bullet to the head.
That is a common sentiment. My wife (otherwise almost entirely liberal in outlook) holds it. I am sympathetic to the notion but a little uneasy with it.

My guess is that there are a lot of pedophiles who don't act on it. We don't know they are pedophiles until they act on it (and are found out). In theory if we had a magic pedophilia detector, your logic would dictate that we systematically kill people who, metaphorically speaking, have birds flying over their head, even if they don't let them build nests there.

I am not sure I'm comfortable with that, but the mere fact I'd consider it is testimony to the powerful taboo that is pedophilia. As well it should be. Our most vulnerable -- children -- should be nurtured and protected at the highest priority.

Of course if we had a "magic pedophilia detector" we would probably also have a "magic pedophilia monitoring bracelet" that would cause such a person to die when they cross some line in their thought process and decide to plan to abuse a child. That I could unreservedly get behind. Even better would be the ability to simply disconnect the wiring that provides the proclivity. That is what makes these kinds of issues tough. Pedophilia is covert, and we have no ability to prevent it. It is, essentially, a legitimate thought crime.
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Old 08-04-2016, 11:37 PM
 
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Extermination!
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Old 08-05-2016, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Who does homosexuality harm?
I think, my guess, is that the poster was saying that homosexuality goes against nature but doesn't harm anyone thus the reason for concern over pedophilia.

I read quite a bite on the subject. When I was in kindergarten, in a two room school in 1959, the male teacher of the 5 and 6th graders, got one of the three girls in his class that he was having sex with pregnant. This put my parents in "overprotect" mode in a major way.

Now, the porn industry has a major interest in seeing pedophilia "normalized" thus the crap we see coming forth about it maybe not being that bad, of which any normal person knows it is that bad. They try to say that child porn isn't hurting the child, of which we all know it is and looking at the porn.......... I have read that porn websites, to keep people coming back, attempt to introduce their "market" to the idea of child porn by simply hinting at it with barely legal.

I was once in a forum where a young man, recently married, realized and/or admitted he was a pedophile, not acting on it though. His wife supported him and they both attended therapy. I believe medication was also involved. The young man walked us through his experience. This was someone who I did respect. He did not want those feelings. Treatment is available for those that want to give it up.

Harming children should not be tolerated. Sadly, some of the immigrants coming into the country come from places where the age of sexual consent is 12 years old and sometimes younger. This could eventually have unfortunate consequences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent Some countries you must be married, but they do allow males to marry their brides as infants, so where that goes is sometimes not good.

So changes will most likely come. Sad.
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Old 08-08-2016, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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That is a common sentiment. My wife (otherwise almost entirely liberal in outlook) holds it. I am sympathetic to the notion but a little uneasy with it.

My guess is that there are a lot of pedophiles who don't act on it. We don't know they are pedophiles until they act on it (and are found out). In theory if we had a magic pedophilia detector, your logic would dictate that we systematically kill people who, metaphorically speaking, have birds flying over their head, even if they don't let them build nests there.

I am not sure I'm comfortable with that, but the mere fact I'd consider it is testimony to the powerful taboo that is pedophilia. As well it should be. Our most vulnerable -- children -- should be nurtured and protected at the highest priority.

Of course if we had a "magic pedophilia detector" we would probably also have a "magic pedophilia monitoring bracelet" that would cause such a person to die when they cross some line in their thought process and decide to plan to abuse a child. That I could unreservedly get behind. Even better would be the ability to simply disconnect the wiring that provides the proclivity. That is what makes these kinds of issues tough. Pedophilia is covert, and we have no ability to prevent it. It is, essentially, a legitimate thought crime.
There aren't many things I would go to war for, but I'd go to war to defend pedophiles, or schizophrenics, or sociopaths, or psychopaths, from being euthanized before they've done anything in my country...unless we're talking about aborting fetuses with some genes that means there is a high likelihood they'll be one of the above.

I don't know what works to discourage child molestation. I want whatever works to be done, so long as it's done on people who've committed crimes. If that means everybody loving and being friendly towards a repeat child molester (but not trusting them), I'd be okay with that. If that means public chopping off of a hand, I'd be okay with that too.

I don't care less about pedophiles who haven't harmed anyone than I do about the children they might harm. I think it should be the highest priority of parents to protect their children...but not me. I'm not a parent. That will be a priority...but I have higher priorities.

I think that planning of the attacks on children is a thought crime...but I don't think pedophilia is a thought crime. I don't want to build a society in which people fear thoughts. I am fanatically opposed to the idea that thoughts can be crimes, unless they lead to actions.

Really, the only reason I see child pornography as a negative thing is because its existence meant someone had to suffer for it to be created, and that it creates a market for suffering...but I couldn't care less if someone is attracted to an adult with childlike features because of those childlike features. My thoughts are my right. If I give someone so much as a creepy look...that's my fault, but my thoughts, regardless of who I'm imagining cannibalizing, are my right, and to remove that right I think would result in too much misery to be worth it for society.

I will say though...I do not disapprove of society saying we should kill child molesters or torture them, because people need to know how strongly society hates that. I somewhat approve of people saying we should kill pedophiles, but only because society seems to often mean child molester when they say pedophile. I do approve of society's general disgust with the attraction to young children though...I think, although again I'm not sure what would discourage pedophilia the most. That's just more of that good spreading the warning.

I want us to find some kind of gene that results in a high likelihood of pedophilia though, so people can get abortions when that shows up in a fetus, and adopt rather than breed if that gene shows up in them.

If we euthanize people for thoughts...there's no reason I can think of not to just euthanize a bunch of people for being to wasteful, or just euthanize large segments of Bangladesh to stop overpopulation. Why am I not euthanizing people for certain farming practices, if people can be euthanized for thoughts? I talked to a guy who worked with Normal Borlaug ("The man who saved a billion lives" through new agriculture decades ago). He wondered about just letting people in Bangladesh starve to death, then coming back and finding ways to feed them later after there had been many deaths, so that they wouldn't be fighting over food. That's what he wanted to do. It probably seemed like it would have made a lot of sense at the time.

I don't think there is much keeping society from falling into just euthanizing people at random for whatever trivial errors they make...except for our ideology that only actions are punishable, or a strong likelihood of attempting those actions.

Regarding the bracelet idea...it'd be more merciful (and efficient) to just kill them. I would not support that whole bracelet idea. I'd probably support the execution of certain types of repeat adult child molesters...unless its cheaper to jail them for life (which it may be. I think the death penalty can become expensive).

Why don't we euthanize all the Christians too, if we're going to euthanize pedophiles? Similar problems can result from each example. Before that we should definitely euthanize the Jehovah's Witnesses, and all the Muslims.

Humanity is far too messed up to euthanize people for thoughts. We'd be hypocrites for not euthanizing everyone for that...probably every single human being should be euthanized if we are to euthanize anyone for thoughts, unless we're talking about an extremely high likelihood of acting on those thoughts that we know is an extremely high likelihood, I think.

But I agree with your spirit.

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Old 08-08-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Edit...it's Norman Borlaug rather than Normal Borlaug.

Also, I certainly support being wary of pedophiles for the defense of children. I read a story about a pedophile who's family knows he is one. They like him. They trust him. He's harmed no one that anyone knows of. I think that's reasonable for them to trust him...but regarding strangers, wariness would be warranted.

I think it would make sense for pedophiles to expect a little distrust from society too and not feel offended. That's just people worrying about their families.

Also, the guy I talked to who worked with Borlaug wanted to let much of the population of Bangladesh starve to death before attempting to assist them rather than Borlaug wanting that.

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Old 08-10-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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Every single pedophile needs to be lined up and systematically disposed of. The only cure for them is a bullet to the head.
Yesss!!!!
I don't believe, at all, that anyone can be genetically predisposed to prey on children.
Even if they did come by this perversion through genetics...they should be put out of their misery...before they harm any little ones.

If they feel that desire, and just can't stop those feelings....even if they don't act on them, they should do society (and themselves) a big favor and [bow out].
Our little ones are much more important that a perverts desires, or even the (useless in my mind) attempts to change the way they think and who they are sexually attracted to....I believe if that perverted sexual attraction is in someone....there's NO changing it.
Child porn is an abomination...a sickening display of humanity gone bad...a pedophiles delight.

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Old 08-10-2016, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Every easily aroused young man that can't seem to get a girlfriend or willing partner, does not become a rapist or even a predator.
He has learned, one way or another, to keep his urges and desires under control.
You may or may not agree with the analogy but I have little doubt there are a good percentage of those drawn to children that are also maintaining the same control.
There have been incidences publicized about arrests being made when the 'child porn' did not even contain images of real children but drawings or the like.
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