Emotions or concepts you don't "get" (parent, father, feelings)
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Uh... how exactly does one experience this alleged "relationship"
with a being that doesn't exist in the physical world?
THAT is the $64,000 question! dingdingding.
You search, you research, you seek, you read about, you question.
Then, one day it clicks..."Oh, I must be still and go within.
If this Being is invisible, as they say, if this Unimaginable Creator is
in some spiritual realm beyond my comprehension...then, I must meet this Spirit half way..."
Then, as you will have found out with all your research ...this Being takes you the rest of the way
to the Magic Kingdom, ha...and you can be part of the ridicule from the peanut gallery that
has not made the effort...and thinks you're nuts.
Gonna take a risk here... "my relationship with God" or "my relationship with Jesus". I see/hear this fairly often from some of my religious acquaintances (I am agnostic). Uh... how exactly does one experience this alleged "relationship" with a being that doesn't exist in the physical world?
They experience it in their heads, although it certainly feels "real" to them ... witness:
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You search, you research, you seek, you read about, you question.
Then, one day it clicks..."Oh, I must be still and go within.
If this Being is invisible, as they say, if this Unimaginable Creator is
in some spiritual realm beyond my comprehension...then, I must meet this Spirit half way..."
Then, as you will have found out with all your research ...this Being takes you the rest of the way
to the Magic Kingdom, ha...and you can be part of the ridicule from the peanut gallery that
has not made the effort...and thinks you're nuts.
^^^ Now THAT is the kind of emotion or concept I cannot get. But I guess it is my own fault for not having searched enough or read enough or questioned enough, or prayed enough or in the right way or to the right "gods," or "met the invisible being halfway" or whatever. (Ugh.) This thread has been really fascinating to read ... I just hope it doesn't turn into a "let me tell you about my god and all the emotions I feel about him" discussion (that's what the Religion forum is for).
My own answer to the OP's question: I second the "unconditional love" that someone said way back in post #6 (I've used almost the same words in other threads -- i.e., that I think unconditional love is fine for very young children and pets, but not for adults who turn out to be truly horrible people). Several of you have said you feel it for your kids, but it sounds like your kids are decent people. Could you really feel "unconditional love" for someone like Ted Bundy (as someone else brought up in this thread) or Josef Mengele? I couldn't. Just because you share DNA with someone does NOT mean that they are worthy of your unconditional love. (And for the record, I love most members of my family dearly, but that is because they are kind, decent human beings -- not because they happen to be related to me.)
Gonna take a risk here... "my relationship with God" or "my relationship with Jesus". I see/hear this fairly often from some of my religious acquaintances (I am agnostic). Uh... how exactly does one experience this alleged "relationship" with a being that doesn't exist in the physical world?
You have no risk with me. I'm an atheist.
Finally, SOMEONE was brave enough to ask. How do you have a relationship with an entity you can't see, hear, or touch. I mean... You can believe in god. You can worship god. You can even love god. But a relationship with god? I never understood that concept, either.
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I don't understand the happiness or glee people get in helping positions or customer service when they make whatever it is you need so much harder than it has to be...They relish in the feelings of superiority. NEVER got the thrill of that. Hateful people act that way.
I have a friend also that makes store clerks. ..managers office receptionists waitresses and whoever else she comes in contact with daily jump through hoops for her and is just plain miserable and nasty with everyone IF something, and it can be the smallest thing doesn't go exactly HER way. That is daily for her and she boasts about people avoiding her and being scared of her
I just shake my head. It's so much WORK to be that way. Exhausting really!
I don't understand the happiness or glee people get in helping positions or customer service when they make whatever it is you need so much harder than it has to be...They relish in the feelings of superiority. NEVER got the thrill of that. Hateful people act that way.
I have a friend also that makes store clerks. ..managers office receptionists waitresses and whoever else she comes in contact with daily jump through hoops for her and is just plain miserable and nasty with everyone IF something, and it can be the smallest thing doesn't go exactly HER way. That is daily for her and she boasts about people avoiding her and being scared of her
I just shake my head. It's so much WORK to be that way. Exhausting really!
Wow, I have known a few people like that. Rude and unkind to people in a position of service. One man (my late MIL was briefly married to him till she realized what an ass he truly was) was quite wealthy. But every time he dinef out, which wad often, he spoke to the wait staff as if they were the stupidest people he ever met. I mean. A scornful tone with words like, "what is wrong, no one ever taught you to add?" If there was an error on the check (before you got computerized checks in restaurants)..
My sister-in-law stood up one day in the restaurant before they even got their food and said she would not go out with them any more because she had been a server and could not watch him treat people that way, and she walked out.
I read that the night before he was executed, Ted Bundy's mother sent him a message that said, "you will always be my sweet boy".
I can kind of understand that. She probably remembers him as her sweet boy before he grew into the monster he became. Her love for him was formed in the early years and that's how she thinks of him.
My sons are men now, but as much as I love and respect them as the men they have become, in my mind they will always be my sweet boys.
I'm an atheist.
Finally, SOMEONE was brave enough to ask. How do you have a relationship
with an entity you can't see, hear, or touch. I mean... You can believe in god. You can worship god.
You can even love god.
But a relationship with god?
I never understood that concept, either.
How can a person worship or love something you don't know?
It's like having a photo of a puppy you will be getting and saying you love it;
you haven't touched the puppy yet...you don't know it's personality...you have only a
picture and what you have heard about it.
Nope, to love something, I say you have to know that thing...personally.
Otherwise, you like what you've heard about the 'thing', maybe something they supposedly said'...
God or Jesus or a new neighbor you haven't met yet...nothing wrong with that...but to love them....um...it's not real 'love'.
So, in the spirit of the thread, I don't understand this 'blind faith' thing...not putting it down.
.........Parents who say they unconditionally love their children... if one grew up to wear his murder victim's skulls as hats, you'd still love him? ..........
Yes, I would still love him. I would not like him very much and I most certainly would not understand him. But I would love him and do my best to get him a lawyer who could get him into a good mental health facility instead of a prison, and I would do my best to get him doctors who could try to get to the bottom of his problem and to get him back to a functioning level of normal.
A person who is a mass murder and wears skulls on his head is massively mentally ill. Normal mentally stable people do not do things like that. I do not abandon my child because he is ill. I don't want him out wandering the streets He needs to be locked up, but I do not stop loving him.
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