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There is no therapist/narcissist relationship. Narcissists don't seek out therapy. They don't know they're ill, and wouldn't believe it, if someone told them they were. Even if one did seek help, the therapist would never tell them that they are a toxic person. That's not how therapy is done. The situation you're imagining from reading this thread, wouldn't exist. I think you've misunderstood some of the posts.
My household narci manipulates her therapist. She just goes (and is compliant in any way) because her dad's going to buy her a (nother) car.
Idk....we label & diagnose everyone now. Can't anyone just be a plain ol' arsehole anymore?
Not if those close to them want to understand their behavior, and how to respond to it. Information, understanding, is empowering, and helps people make sense of their world.
The bolded part is very interesting to me. With my Mother, I suspect it is both DNA and childhood/upbringing. That's a combo that would be tough to penetrate!
This part may astonish some -- I lived for over 25 years in a region of the country that, throughout US history, has been very homogeneous. In terms of the part of Europe (United Kingdom) the vast majority of inhabitants originally came from, the predominant and strident religion there, the ethnicity, the fact that it was mostly rural so locals rarely experienced different ideas or behaviors.
ONLY in about the last 20 years have people from other parts of the country or world migrated to and live in that region. Even now, they're still not there in big numbers. So, given all that, there is truly some very standardized behavior amongst millions. Unfortunately, I'm prepared to say that a substantial portion of the population raised there, by families that have been there for generations, have very limited emotional ranges. They are some of the coldest people I've ever known (I've lived in 3 regions of America). They emulate compassion -- you can tell because their actions don't match their words and even the words sound hollow. Listen closely and you'll hear their motivations for why they do this or that. It's almost always because of the personal benefit.
I could regale with stories and examples of the fakeness, deceptions, manipulations and gaslighting that are part of everyday life -- they were raised that way and have never lived anywhere else. So, it is normal to them. You could describe how something they did was thoughtless or rude or unfair and you'd simply get a blank look and a change of the subject. There is zero willingness for self-reflection or assumption of responsibility. I have a strong argument to make that the majority of that native population are on the narcissistic spectrum, millions of them. Simply scary.
This is interesting. Do you mind sharing where you are from?
Good guess. The answer is: Yes, but it extends far beyond that. The larger region would be the Southeastern USA or you might say, the plantation South. VERY similar culture throughout 9 or 10 states. (Florida is an exception -- developed later and with alot of people from the Northeast and of various ethnicities.)
The culture of the South is unique in America. No other area has been so homogeneous and much has been written about it. If interested, this is a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultur..._United_States --- it doesn't address the aspects I mentioned, naturally. I'm sure I'll hear get some flack about this too. That's part of the issue.
Not being cute, but first, would you like to guess the region I was referring to?
Substantial clues were provided......
Somewhere in New England? Or Appalachia?
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