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Based on this poster's posting history, he has been saying for a long time that as a gay male living in a heavily evangelical community with a highly religiously conservative family and peer group who do not accept his sexuality, he is isolated and deeply depressed.
Well there's gay meetings. They're a lot of fun.
An old guy told me this fellowship is about finding a power that enables you to live without alcohol in an insane world.
I liked that because it said "its them. Not me".
Turned out to be me and the world can be crazy.
Yeah, but first you gotta figure out if you are sick. If you aren't sick then there is nothing to recover from.
We engineers got a saying: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Oh boy, so true.
There are rooms full of non alcoholics who were court mandated, but they aren't alcoholic.
They seem to enjoy the experience so they stay. It becomes a better way of life for many.
Not really, abstinence isn't a true measure.
That's probably the medical view.
It isn't.
What I posted was Alcoholics Anonymous' clearly stated philosophy on abstaining from alcohol use. Nothing more, nothing less.
People who choose 12-step support groups are well-served to understand that upfront, just as they are well-served to understand program reliance on the acceptance of the concept of a higher power.
What I posted was Alcoholics Anonymous' clearly stated philosophy on abstaining from alcohol use. Nothing more, nothing less.
People who choose 12-step support groups are well-served to understand that upfront, just as they are well-served to understand program reliance on the acceptance of the concept of a higher power.
Nope, the official position is in the big book and its made crystal clear in the text (repeatedly) that merely not drinking is not sanity .
That single point is hammered home at least 6 times I can recall just from memory.
The medical view relies on the only thing that can be quantified. That is abstinence.
The number of times the word abstinence appears in the big book is ZERO .
same with abstain and abstinent. Zero.
Nope, the official position is in the big book and its made crystal clear in the text (repeatedly) that merely not drinking is not sanity .
That single point is hammered home at least 6 times I can recall just from memory.
The medical view relies on the only thing that can be quantified. That is abstinence.
The number of times the word abstinence appears in the big book is ZERO .
same with abstain and abstinent. Zero.
That's says something.
Quote:
How A.A. Members Maintain Sobriety
A.A. is a program of total abstinence. Members simply
stay away from one drink, one day at a time. Sobriety
is maintained through sharing experience, strength and
hope at group meetings and through the suggested
Twelve Steps for recovery from alcoholism.
Source: Alcoholics Anonymous, c. 2013, "A.A. at a Glance."
Overall, in addictions counseling in general (lay support groups such as 12-steps and otherwise), the concept of moderate use being unattainable for addicts has been gradually studied and found to be in some cases a flawed hypothesis. Much research suggests that there are pathways to addictions recovery that are successful and beneficial that do not require abstinence. AA, however, as an organization does still continue to promote the idea that abstaining from alcohol wholesale is the singular path to combating addiction, and the earmark of success. This is historically true, and the official party line hasn't changed, despite the continual influx of knowledge via ongoing research.
Nope, the official position is in the big book and its made crystal clear in the text (repeatedly) that merely not drinking is not sanity.
This is just a humorous comment that by applying mathematical logic to your sentence, it can be restated as, "... merely drinking is sanity." This is due to reversing the double negation.
OP, you suffer from analysis paralysis (among other things).
You've been posting for years here about your misery, and consistently blaming your life's troubles on everything BUT your own inaction ... and yet you've not taken one concrete step to change your fate.
Methinks a little tough love is what you need. Get off your duff and do something -anything- to introduce some of the change that you desire.
Stop complaining about your evangelical parents. You are in your mid-thirties, for Pete's sake. You don't even live under their roof any longer. Stop complaining about the stupid overpriced car that you bought that you couldn't afford. Get rid of it, or take on a second part-time job to get it paid off faster, for Pete's sake. Don't talk about your drinking problem ... DEAL with it, and attend any one of the numerous meetings held in OKC every single day, for Pete's sake.
Do something besides your usual whining on the internet. I know that sounds harsh, but you NEED a kick in the ass to get yourself in gear and make some changes. You've been swirling in a sea of self-pity and inaction long enough.
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