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Old 10-14-2018, 12:44 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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In my youth I was quite a fan of cocaine. But it costs an arm and a leg so a friends suggested I try some Crystal Meth. How "anybody" could enjoy that feeling is beyond me. I couldn't throw it away fast enough.

People with addictive personalities are just that. My guess is your sister just substituted one addiction for another. People have had a lot of success substituting a Jesus addiction.
I was the exact opposite; Coke was awful, makes you so tired the next day.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:04 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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In my youth I was quite a fan of cocaine. But it costs an arm and a leg so a friends suggested I try some Crystal Meth. How "anybody" could enjoy that feeling is beyond me. I couldn't throw it away fast enough.
Well, everybody is different. I liked it because it gave me energy (which I naturally lack - always have), motivation, just the feeling that I CAN DO ANYTHING!! My house was cleaner and more organized than it's ever been, before and since, and enjoyed feeling "driven" for the first time pretty much ever. Also, the fact that I lost over 80 lbs in under a year didn't hurt... I'd been overweight since puberty, which is actually why I tried meth in the first place.

That being said, I am NOT suggesting anyone try it! The negatives far outweighed the positives, which is why I eventually stopped. Thankfully I wasn't doing it long enough to cause any major long-term damage, but others aren't so lucky.

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People have had a lot of success substituting a Jesus addiction.
Uhhh, what exactly is that? Wouldn't work too well for a non-Christian (like me), lol.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:07 PM
 
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I don't get why so many are so easily willing to try hard drugs these days. Weed is still around, almost legal everywhere but people take disgusting chemicals like meth or deadly fentanyl. How about vaping some good weed and drinking some Red Bull instead of snorting Drano.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:15 PM
 
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I do have ADHD/ADD, and since stimulants actually help ADD minds feel more organized, I think there was probably a self-medicating aspect early on and may make me more vulnerable to addiction with stimulants. Even as an adult, I never let a doctor prescribe me stimulant ADD meds because I know I have addictive tendencies around them The only one I was willing to try was Strattera, which is non-stimulant (and didn't work for me).
That was probably the other reason I got into it, since I have ADD, but grew up before it was really a diagnosed/treatable thing. So I was definitely self-medicating to some degree, and enjoyed the hyper-focus it gave me.

I went without any treatment after quitting meth, for about 20 years before I sought legitimate medications due to struggles at work. I'm now on Vyvanse, which is specifically recommended for people with addictive tendencies. Ask your doctor about it, if you're still or ever seeking ADD treatment. It works pretty well, and without making you feel all "speedy!" I tried Adderall and Ritalin too, but the former was super speedy, and the latter gave me extreme mood swings.

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I still self-medicate, but now with Monster and coffee. Used to be nicotine too (which is also a stimulant) but finally quit that a couple of months ago. I still want one pretty badly sometimes though, which is very disappointing. I want to be one of the former smokers who despises the smell of cigarettes, but I think I will be one of those who will always be vulnerable to them because the desire won't completely go away.

I used to have an aunt who quit decades ago, but if you smoked she'd take your lit cigarette and run it under her nose and just smell it, then give it back. You could tell she still longed for one even years later.
Yeah, that'll probably be me too (if/when I quit). I used to have a co-worker with whom I shared a large cubicle, and she once politely mentioned that she wasn't fond of my body spray. I told her I used it to mask the smell of cigarettes, and much to my surprise, she said she preferred that! I didn't realize she was an ex-smoker, and would actually "smoke vicariously" through me when I was particularly stinky.

P.S. Someone suggested on my rep points to try vaping, as a substitute for actual smoking... I coincidentally just bought two disposable e-cigs the other day, and was already intending to do that. Just testing it for now, but that's my plan!
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:37 PM
 
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Well, everybody is different. I liked it because it gave me energy (which I naturally lack - always have), motivation, just the feeling that I CAN DO ANYTHING!! My house was cleaner and more organized than it's ever been, before and since, and enjoyed feeling "driven" for the first time pretty much ever. Also, the fact that I lost over 80 lbs in under a year didn't hurt... I'd been overweight since puberty, which is actually why I tried meth in the first place.

That being said, I am NOT suggesting anyone try it! The negatives far outweighed the positives, which is why I eventually stopped. Thankfully I wasn't doing it long enough to cause any major long-term damage, but others aren't so lucky.



Uhhh, what exactly is that? Wouldn't work too well for a non-Christian (like me), lol.
Speed gave me energy but it was too narrowly focused and I got too compulsive. I’d start out to clean out my bedroom, and 4 hours later I had the worlds cleanest nightstand drawer to show for it.

I know coke is different, for some reason that didn’t appeal as much or have that euphoric effect.
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Old 10-14-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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That was probably the other reason I got into it, since I have ADD, but grew up before it was really a diagnosed/treatable thing. So I was definitely self-medicating to some degree, and enjoyed the hyper-focus it gave me.

I went without any treatment after quitting meth, for about 20 years before I sought legitimate medications due to struggles at work. I'm now on Vyvanse, which is specifically recommended for people with addictive tendencies. Ask your doctor about it, if you're still or ever seeking ADD treatment. It works pretty well, and without making you feel all "speedy!" I tried Adderall and Ritalin too, but the former was super speedy, and the latter gave me extreme mood swings.



Yeah, that'll probably be me too (if/when I quit). I used to have a co-worker with whom I shared a large cubicle, and she once politely mentioned that she wasn't fond of my body spray. I told her I used it to mask the smell of cigarettes, and much to my surprise, she said she preferred that! I didn't realize she was an ex-smoker, and would actually "smoke vicariously" through me when I was particularly stinky.

P.S. Someone suggested on my rep points to try vaping, as a substitute for actual smoking... I coincidentally just bought two disposable e-cigs the other day, and was already intending to do that. Just testing it for now, but that's my plan!
I ended up vaping and smoking both, lol. Just like I used to smoke and chew Nicorette, lol. The vape doesn’t completely replace the sensations around smoking cigarettes.

I quit with Chantix, but I’m afraid to go off it as the desire to smoke is still there but not as strong obviously. I have filled my allotment until June though per my insurance.
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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I loved it back in the day, in fact I loved it too much. I was definitely addicted, and only stopped because I started living with a bodybuilder who was dead set against all drugs, and was controlling enough that I couldn't get out of his sight long enough to go get any. As awful as that relationship was, I truly think the Universe sends you what you need in the moment.

I did other drugs back then, but I never felt any addictive pull to any but the meth. I had opiates several times for surgeries, and took them for about 8 months leading up to my back surgery a couple years ago, but never had any addictive feelings toward them. I don't even understand the pull for that, I never felt the slightest bit high or "good" from them and stopped taking them immediately once the pain was tolerable, maybe a week after my surgery.

I do have ADHD/ADD, and since stimulants actually help ADD minds feel more organized, I think there was probably a self-medicating aspect early on and may make me more vulnerable to addiction with stimulants. Even as an adult, I never let a doctor prescribe me stimulant ADD meds because I know I have addictive tendencies around them The only one I was willing to try was Strattera, which is non-stimulant (and didn't work for me).

I still self-medicate, but now with Monster and coffee. Used to be nicotine too (which is also a stimulant) but finally quit that a couple of months ago. I still want one pretty badly sometimes though, which is very disappointing. I want to be one of the former smokers who despises the smell of cigarettes, but I think I will be one of those who will always be vulnerable to them because the desire won't completely go away.

I used to have an aunt who quit decades ago, but if you smoked she'd take your lit cigarette and run it under her nose and just smell it, then give it back. You could tell she still longed for one even years later.
I hated weed, opiates & coke. I find them ... counterproductive. Any drug smoked is dirty & gross. Any drug recreationally injected is just stupid. I know people who are addicted to self-injections separate from the drug; because of the false nostalgia the brain attaches to the memories of the addicts. They will inject saline or tap water & swear they feel a rush. I liked hallucinogens; especially the natural stuff but I don’t think those are an addictive substance.

I’m only ASD-ADD, not ADHD & can’t be medicated with Stims because I build a total tolerance within weeks. Swallowing meth was better than the pharmaceutical stuff; the time release & buffer crap they put in pharmaceuticals turns me into a yo-yo. Street meth is way more consistent & you need less of it, plus it’s easier to taper off of. Go figure.

Never missed a meal or a nights sleep on meth; only Pharmas. I’m probably the one in a million though; I don’t want to be mistaken for recommending that anyone actually do this. Every one of my genes known to affect Seratonin uptake in humans is scrambled with mutations. One of them is actually reported as: “Reverse to the Genome”.

A non-tapered withdrawal for me off meth is serious business & I haven’t ever been able to find a research university or medical center that knows anything about this. By a cold-turkey day 3; I appear as end-stage Parkinsons; so taper is the only way to go. Most people will not develop a dependency to meth; however; they do turn into “tweakers”, which is something I’ve never done. Monsters make me dizzy & sometimes nauseous & coffee puts me to sleep; so I’m just a mess.

My 14 year old ASD son has a paradoxical reaction to anesthesia; it took 4 grown men to escort his gurney to the pediatric ward following his surgery a few weeks ago. I really, really don’t feel like there has been enough research into the neurological aspect of addiction & that’s a shame; especially with the opiate crisis as it is.

I quit smoking over 4 years ago & I still will crave one if I smell it but I no longer feel vulnerable.
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Old 10-14-2018, 03:42 PM
 
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I don't know why anyone would ever try meth, given how unattractive meth addicts are - that alone shows you what the drug can do to a person. It's just common sense.

Even if you are "addictive," you don't HAVE TO cross all lines of civility.

And it is an "epidemic" in some areas. Not sure why - probably some kind of peer pressure thing.

Obviously, destructive drugs like these (meth, heroin, alcohol even) are not going to solve any "problems."
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Old 10-14-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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I had good luck quitting smoking with acupressure (a clamp on the ears) and hypnosis. Never wanted another cig. I bet that would work with other drugs and if I was an addict who wanted to stop, I would try those methods instead of taking more drugs (counterproductive).
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Old 10-14-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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I don't know why anyone would ever try meth, given how unattractive meth addicts are - that alone shows you what the drug can do to a person. It's just common sense.

Even if you are "addictive," you don't HAVE TO cross all lines of civility.

And it is an "epidemic" in some areas. Not sure why - probably some kind of peer pressure thing.

Obviously, destructive drugs like these (meth, heroin, alcohol even) are not going to solve any "problems."
Most everyone starts when they are teens. Teens of working parents are often unsupervised more as I was. We didn't try these things to solve problems, kids don't think like that. We tried it because it was fun to alter your state of consciousness. We did it to be able to stay up all night and party, and dance and talk non-stop and laugh. Once addicted, it stops being fun, but in the beginning, it is and that's why kids at parties try it. It gets shy people out of their shell and makes it easier to socialize.


Not much different than the reasons for trying beer, which is what most of them start with at the outset.


The addicts who start as teens start out to have fun and to escape for a bit from lives that include some emotional pain. The addicts who are adults start out to relieve pain. Not many start thinking it will solve a problem.
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