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Old 02-20-2019, 05:36 AM
 
Location: NJ
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What "gene" are you referring to?
I don't recall. It was over a year ago. I did a free upload, the data is deleted after 45 days. On the report it said she had a tendency to be depressed. I didn't have it, neither did my son
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Old 02-20-2019, 06:26 AM
 
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I don't recall. It was over a year ago. I did a free upload, the data is deleted after 45 days. On the report it said she had a tendency to be depressed. I didn't have it, neither did my son
It's not so much "being depressed" as having a tendency to develop an episode of acute clinical depression (not just "feeling blue," but a disabling illness) under certain life stressors. This "short gene" theory came out years ago; I remember reading and saving the article because I was prone to it and it ran in my family.

But people today seem to have forgotten that no one promised them a rose garden; feeling sad, discouraged, bored, and unhappy is part of the human condition that is best just accepted -- not a "disease" for which pills are required. Being blissfully joyful 24/7/365 seems to be our modern expectation, but was never "real life."

That said, I reinterate what I said earlier about modern society -- in which people are increasingly separated from family, isolated from friends, lacking meaningful purpose in life and deep spiritual beliefs and staring at electronic devices day and night -- not fulfilling our basic human needs that, in former times, kept us sane...
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." - Henry David Thoreau, 1854. It's nothing new.
Right, they called it "melancholy" or "hysteria" or "neurosis".
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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People need The Lord in their lives and hearts. Without Him, the void is filled by something else. Medication can be helpful, but is not the entire answer. Anxiety is fear based- which is the opposite of Faith. I spent most of my life dealing with these issues. Trusting that God is in charge, and that everything on earth passes helps me. I try to stay focused on my relationship with Him, rather than getting my way, and the "what ifs" of life. Depression is largely repressed anger- which w/o God in our lives- what are we going to do with it- who do we give it to? I do take medication, but trusting God is my main solution to these issues.
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Exactly. Depression was invented in 1986, the same year prozac was invented. Before that, I never heard the word mentioned. After they had a nifty new drug, it was everywhere.

In the '70s, if you couldn't sleep or drag yourself out of bed to go to work, you were a bum. It was a moral failing, not a medical problem.
What a crock. You can't possibly believe that. They treated depression with other drugs, particularly tricyclics, long before Prozac was invented.

My mother had to drop out of school in the 1940s and take care of her invalid sister because my grandmother had a "nervous breakdown". Years later I asked my mother what that meant exactly.

She said my grandmother could not get out of bed, that she cried all the time, that she was unable to function.

Classic clinical depression symptoms, but back then it was called a nervous breakdown.

Tuberculosis being called consumption didn't mean that tuberculosis didn't exist.

And think of Queen Victoria taking tea made of coca leaves for her "melancholy".
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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Some other psychiatrists/psychologists did some groundbreaking work (I can never remember their names) on observing people in mental hospitals (as opposed to medicating them).
R.D. Laing. Thomas Szasz. "The Theology of Medicine" etc. There are also feminists viewing mental illness in women as a response to their relationship to society. See "Women and Madness" by Phyllis Chesler.

It's an interesting way to look at issues of mental health.

I believe I've read a quote similar to, "Mental illness is a rational response to an irrational situation."
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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Right, they called it "melancholy" or "hysteria" or "neurosis".
Actually, no; they just called it "life." It's not a disease.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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For those of you who have been around for a while, have you noticed than in today's world that depression and anxiety is so common? I look at my current situation:

My mother is depressed and anxious. Four of my best friends are dealing with anxiety and depression. I can continue on with how many more people I know in that situation. It just seems like it's grown so much in some of the last few years.

It seems like so many people nowadays need validation, have very low self esteem, are insecure or overworked. Part of it makes me sad to see this, and I try to help as I can, but it just feels as if a lot of people are suffering now. I am 33 and 10 years ago, I felt like things were different and people weren't like this.

What gives? I wonder if this is how it's always been and I am just noticing now, or if we really have seen in the past decade an increase in depression and anxiety?
I don't know. Maybe it's that people talk about it more, or recognize it for what it is, now.

In the old days, women were said to become "hysterical" (the medical term), and sometimes institutionalized. That could have been hormone imbalance, mid-life crisis, bi-polar disorder, or whatever. But back then, you were just diagnosed in "hysterics."

There are also more people, so people are more aware of how others are doing. Now there are a lot of work places where people brush shoulders with hundreds or thousands of other workers.

But it's likely people kept these things to themselves in the past. No point in complaining. Too many things to do.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:03 PM
 
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Again, people can't seem to distinguish anymore between feeling 'depressed' and experiencing 'depression.' They're not the same thing.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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R.D. Laing. Thomas Szasz. "The Theology of Medicine" etc. There are also feminists viewing mental illness in women as a response to their relationship to society. See "Women and Madness" by Phyllis Chesler.

It's an interesting way to look at issues of mental health.

I believe I've read a quote similar to, "Mental illness is a rational response to an irrational situation."
Thank you for R.D. Laing. I can never remember his name! The other person I was thinking of is not Szasz - not sure who that is - will look him up!

The other person had a theory similar to Wilber's Integral Theory that was non-linear - spiral, actually. Wilber's is hierarchal and linear.
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